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fees 11-17-2007 02:23 AM

24+2 combo draw early on
 
Hey, first tourney hand I've ever posted.
First is prf std? Im a cash game player fwiw and I'm not used to these stack sizes and structure in general. Its like 2:1, and he seems donkish so is this an easy call or fold?

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 1,445
BTN: 1,250
SB: 1,420
BB: 1,190
UTG: 2,145
UTG+1: 1,400
UTG+2: 1,730
MP1: 1,510
Hero (MP2): 1,410

Pre-Flop: (45) Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif dealt to Hero (MP2)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 111</font>, 3 folds, BB calls 81, UTG+2 calls 81

Flop: (348) 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets 232</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to 1,079 and is All-In</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero

Boise123 11-17-2007 02:49 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
I think the 10 was a weak kicker to start with, I would fold.

fees 11-17-2007 03:21 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
is this raise too loose?

elcastigador 11-17-2007 04:02 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
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is this raise too loose?

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PF I'd like to think so. A10s is a hand I'd like to see a cheap flop w/ to hit such a combo draw and play accordingly. Don't mind a limp, but be wary on an A high board.

hERESY 11-17-2007 04:51 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
against BB this is an easy call

vega-ace 11-17-2007 07:26 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
to early. fold and get him later and there will be a later because u folded. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] another club and it wouldve been a def call but i would lay it down

hamnegger 11-17-2007 08:01 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
2 points: 1) the preflop raise was ok but id prefer you make this play as co or button where there are fewer players yet to act. you try to isolate the limper and c-bet most flops and win the pot. i would have raised a tad more but thats picky. 2)i would check this flop so as not to price myself out of the pot. this board is likely to have hit an opponent who may raise all in to protect against draws. now you should fold.

ThePershore 11-17-2007 09:25 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
Pf raise is fine, though I'd make it a bit more t130-t140ish. Check the flop tho.

Edit: to say check because in a 3-way pot you're getting check/shoved a lot on this flop.

Dave D 11-17-2007 09:56 AM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
PF raise is *ok*, some people don't like to play that hand early, but it's really a personal preferance thing. The best players are gonna play a lot of hands and stuff, so whatever.

On the flop this is an *instacall*.

You're 2:1 to hit your Sr8 draw. In tournaments we can't be scared of monsters under the bed. Assume your outs are good, and you might even be up against TP. I think I might even think my A was good here.

One of the biggest differences between tournaments and cash games is the idea of taking every +EV opportunity no matter when it happens or how small.

Snap call this next time.

edit: Misread the hand originally b/c op said combo draw. This isn't really a combo draw.

betgo 11-17-2007 12:57 PM

Re: 24+2 combo draw early on
 
Preflop raise is fine. You could also limp behind.

This is an action flop, but I don't mind the bet. I think you have odds to call the push.


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