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ranka 11-07-2007 12:52 PM

NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Reads:
UTG+1: 11/7/2.2 - 340 hands
MP1 and CO: Unknown

UTG ($13.20)
UTG+1 ($74.70)
MP1 ($60.30)
MP2 ($56.60)
MP3 ($43.95)
CO ($17.40)
Button ($44.70)
SB ($7.40)
Hero ($53.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, MP1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $17.4 and is all-in</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?

BadBigBabar 11-07-2007 01:07 PM

Re: NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
i fold

Albert Moulton 11-07-2007 01:13 PM

Re: NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
UTG+1 has a 7% PFR and only plays 11% of all hands. He's open raising in early position at a full ring table. He probably has a big hand more often than 78s or something similar. Mediocre high cards, like AJo/AQo, for example, are highly unlikely.

CO pushes with a medium-sized stack giving you zero implied odds. You are either ahead of UTG+1, MP1, and CO with your jacks, or you should fold. You might be a head of MP1, but I sincerely doubt you are a favorite over both CO and UTG+1. In fact, it's UTG+1 I'd be more worried about than even the guy in the CO.

Easy fold.

Renton 11-07-2007 01:14 PM

Re: NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
its a fold, shove QQ+ AK

AllTheCheese 11-07-2007 01:15 PM

Re: NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
Snap=fold.

LarryLaughs 11-07-2007 01:15 PM

Re: NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
I'll not shove with JJ preflop in full ring without good statistics/reads. This spot is a tough one.

I'd call if the smallstack CO would be the last player left, but you are faced with UTG+1 in position to you, who open raised. That makes it a fold for me unless I had good idea about the ranges for UTG+1 and CO.

The big prob is that we have no clue what UTG+1 has. If it would be possible to 3-bet without getting in too deep this would be easier. Now any raise is committing you preflop.

I'd either push in the full stack or fold depending on the raise range of UTG+1.

EDIT: noticed you have the stats. I'd fold.

veryblind 11-07-2007 02:33 PM

Re: NL50: JJ - Do we shove here?
 
given UTG+1's PFR stats, fold


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