Turn second nuts, overbet bluff river...
 

Villian seems to be solid TAG, nothing out of the ordinary, plays a pretty textbook exploitable strategy, but not bad. He is definitely on the more tight, predictable side. Guessing a marginal winner. No history with him so far.

2/4 NL $450ish effective stacks...


Villian opens 4-handed on button, i call in BB with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

FLOP ($30): K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I lead for $25, he pauses and calls

TURN ($80): A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, he pauses and bets $60, i call after some thought

RIVER ($200) Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I shove for about $350ish

Comments on all streets appreciated

Re: Turn second nuts, overbet bluff river...
 

what in the [censored]? this is god awful. you have 2nd nut flush why are you bluff shoving river...

Re: Turn second nuts, overbet bluff river...
 

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what in the [censored]? this is god awful. you have 2nd nut flush why are you bluff shoving river...

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what exactly do you think is god awful about it? You think he will bluff this river or v/b with worse enough to check? Or you just in general don't like the idea of turning made hands into bluffs?

Re: Turn second nuts, overbet bluff river...
 

what does he bet on the turn that's beating you on the river...

...that now folds to a shove?

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J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X

Another question...

What does an overly tight TAG bet on the turn that calls an overbet shove on the river?

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J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X

Another question...

What does an overly tight TAG bet on the turn that calls an overbet shove on the river?

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and then i would say your turn call and river shove are logically inconsistent

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J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X

Another question...

What does an overly tight TAG bet on the turn that calls an overbet shove on the river?

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and then i would say your turn call and river shove are logically inconsistent

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no not really at all.

Re: Turn second nuts, overbet bluff river...
 

yes, yes they are. you acquire no new information in between making the turn call and then shoving the river. if you think he has JhX, you shouldn't be calling the turn, and if you don't think he has JhX, you shouldn't be shoving the river.

logically inconsistent

Re: Turn second nuts, overbet bluff river...
 

you has the ninth nuts

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yes, yes they are. you acquire no new information in between making the turn call and then shoving the river. if you think he has JhX, you shouldn't be calling the turn, and if you don't think he has JhX, you shouldn't be shoving the river.

logically inconsistent

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he had a read on the dealer that the board would pair and then his overbet bluff would be successful against exactly Jh

so yeah i think this is pretty bad for all the reasons already stated