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MikeyPatriot 10-31-2007 12:36 PM

***Official 2007-2008 MLB Offseason Thread***
 
Couldn't find one, so I figured I'll start my own.

Couple notes I heard on the radio today:

Mike Cameron will be suspended 25 games for violating the MLB drug policy for a banned stimulant.

Joe Torre has been offered a deal around $14.5 for 3 years.

White Sox declined options on Mike Myers and Darin Erstad (hurray, Kenny did something right).

Kos13 10-31-2007 02:02 PM

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St. Louis promoted Mozeliak, meaining Chris Antonetti stays in Cleveland. As a Tribe fan, this is fantastic...Shapiro+Antonetti is the new Beane+DePo.

Vyse 10-31-2007 02:48 PM

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gg Mike Cameron there goes his nice contract

Shadowrun 10-31-2007 03:19 PM

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Which asian players names should i learn to pronounce for next year?

Needle77 10-31-2007 04:41 PM

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Which asian players names should i learn to pronounce for next year?

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Kosuke Fukudome. He's an outfielder that I keep hearing the Mets are going to sign.

Vyse 10-31-2007 05:02 PM

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Which asian players names should i learn to pronounce for next year?

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Kosuke Fukudome. He's an outfielder that I keep hearing the Mets are going to sign.

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?? They're supposed to re-sign Alou, let Green walk, play Milledge. They really don't need Fukudome, with Gomez and the other OF prospect I'm too lazy to look up in the pipeline.

EDIT: Alou kept for 7.5 mil, Dunn kept for $13.5

Rubeskies 10-31-2007 05:40 PM

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Which asian players names should i learn to pronounce for next year?

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Chin-lung Hu

Needle77 10-31-2007 05:45 PM

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Which asian players names should i learn to pronounce for next year?

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Kosuke Fukudome. He's an outfielder that I keep hearing the Mets are going to sign.

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?? They're supposed to re-sign Alou, let Green walk, play Milledge. They really don't need Fukudome, with Gomez and the other OF prospect I'm too lazy to look up in the pipeline.

EDIT: Alou kept for 7.5 mil, Dunn kept for $13.5

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You are under the assumption that Milledge and Gomez are kept and the assumption is that one if not both might be traded. If thats the case it would be pretty hard to play them if they were traded.

Vyse 10-31-2007 05:49 PM

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Except it's way more likely Milledge is kept than they sign Fukudome.

They're much more likely to spend any available money they have on pitching, esp since they just lost Glavine. Beltran: signed long-term. Alou: $7.5 mil for next year. Milledge + Gomez are cheap OF options for the next five years, and Fernando Martinez is another high-upside OF they have in the minors. Fukudome makes zero sense.

Minaya has said a million times, quite vehemently, that Gomez is going nowhere. He loves him.

MikeyPatriot 11-06-2007 12:31 AM

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Red Sox nearing 1 year deal with Schilling just reported during MNF.

jh12547 11-06-2007 12:33 AM

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Red Sox nearing 1 year deal with Schilling just reported during MNF.

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I just posted this link in other thread. Good news i think

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseb...icleid=1042890

Vyse 11-13-2007 09:22 AM

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bumping this dead thread since it shouldn't be dead for too much longer

SL__72 11-13-2007 04:28 PM

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Ugh, the Twins just traded for Craig Monroe. Terrible move imo.

Veecee 11-14-2007 02:44 AM

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Rumours are that Toronto will make a run at Clemens and Petitte.
<3 the Canadian dollar!

apefish 11-14-2007 03:44 AM

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Ugh, the Twins just traded for Craig Monroe. Terrible move imo.

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This is the standard Rondell White/Tony Batista/ guy with little upside we hope can regain his mediocre form of previous years move we make every year.
Monroe is a close buddy of Torii.
I really hope that played a factor in making this move.

Colombo 11-14-2007 08:10 AM

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CC beat out Beckett for AL Cy Young....seriously?

kyleb 11-14-2007 12:02 PM

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CC beat out Beckett for AL Cy Young....seriously?

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He threw 40 more innings. Yes. Stop being a homer.

g-bebe 11-14-2007 12:16 PM

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Rumours are that Toronto will make a run at Clemens and Petitte.
<3 the Canadian dollar!

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Pettitte's good, but it wouldn't be a good move to sign Clemens

MikeyPatriot 11-19-2007 01:46 PM

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White Sox trade Jon Garland to Anaheim for Orlando Cabrera and "cash considerations".

This seems like an awful deal for the ChiSox.

wisehandpoker 11-19-2007 02:16 PM

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White Sox trade Jon Garland to Anaheim for Orlando Cabrera and "cash considerations".

This seems like an awful deal for the ChiSox.

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Who plays shortstop for the Angels next year?

slothinator 11-19-2007 02:24 PM

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White Sox trade Jon Garland to Anaheim for Orlando Cabrera and "cash considerations".

This seems like an awful deal for the ChiSox.

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Who plays shortstop for the Angels next year?

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Macier Izturis. Would make him a great late round fantasy grab btw.

I don't think this is a bad deal for the Sox. Uribe is not a good everyday SS, and Garland is just a mediocre innings eater. The Sox have a few young guys in their system who could replace Garland. I'm just not sure what the Angels see in Garland.

MikeyPatriot 11-19-2007 02:27 PM

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Garland's been an average-to-above-average MLB starter. Cabrera is a below average shortstop.

I don't mind trading Garland, I just don't think Cabrera is a good return. I also have no idea what direction Kenny is taking this team. I also feel like if you're trading Garland now, you should have traded him last year for the couple of deals that we're out there.

My friend told me Bruce Levine, one of the baseball beat guys in Chicago radio, said Kenny has a laundry list of stuff he plans on getting done this year. So, I guess this is just a catalyst for more.

wisehandpoker 11-19-2007 02:37 PM

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The Sox save 3 mil on the contract swap and there's more money going their way, so you can't really judge this deal until we find out a) how much money that is, and b) how they spend the $3M+

kyleb 11-19-2007 02:40 PM

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White Sox trade Jon Garland to Anaheim for Orlando Cabrera and "cash considerations".

This seems like an awful deal for the ChiSox.

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What? Orlando Cabrera is not a below-average shortstop in any sense of the word. A career line of .273/.321/.403 while turning in pretty good defense year after year is tough to find.

That being said, Uribe is not significantly worse. Not really sure why they did this.

SL__72 11-19-2007 02:42 PM

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Supposedly Lowell signed a 3/37.5MM deal with the Red Sox.

rwperu34 11-19-2007 02:47 PM

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I guess this is just a catalyst for more.


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I'm scratching my head on this one for both teams, so I'll reserve judgement until I see what happens next.

Step 1: Trade Orlando for Garland
Step 2: ????
Step 3: MIGUEL!!!

wisehandpoker 11-19-2007 02:47 PM

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On another note, espn's rumor central says the Blue Jays have offered Scott Clement a minor league deal, but I'm having trouble figuring out who we're cutting from the staff as it is. Right now, we have;

Halladay
Burnett
McGowan
Marcum
Litsch

Frasor
Tallet
Jansen
Downs
Accardo
Ryan (mlb.com's ricciardi interview suggested he'd be ready for opening day)

That's a full staff, and then we still have;

Chacin
Wolfe (0.99 whip, 2.98 era in 38 appearances.)
Towers
Joe Kennedy

The fourteen position player spots seem to be pretty much done with a bench of Scutaro, Stairs, Lind, Adams and Thigpen/Fasano.

MikeyPatriot 11-19-2007 02:52 PM

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White Sox trade Jon Garland to Anaheim for Orlando Cabrera and "cash considerations".

This seems like an awful deal for the ChiSox.

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What? Orlando Cabrera is not a below-average shortstop in any sense of the word. A career line of .273/.321/.403 while turning in pretty good defense year after year is tough to find.

That being said, Uribe is not significantly worse. Not really sure why they did this.

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Just like you getting Merri-leveled in that thread, it's early. I just looked up his OPS+ and saw < 100 and thought, "LOL below average." I'm definitely wrong about that.

Still agree that I don't get this move. Like I said though, apparently there is supposedly a long list of stuff happening.

g-bebe 11-19-2007 02:59 PM

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On another note, espn's rumor central says the Blue Jays have offered Scott Clement a minor league deal, but I'm having trouble figuring out who we're cutting from the staff as it is. Right now, we have;

Halladay
Burnett
McGowan
Marcum
Litsch

Frasor
Tallet
Jansen
Downs
Accardo
Ryan (mlb.com's ricciardi interview suggested he'd be ready for opening day)

That's a full staff, and then we still have;

Chacin
Wolfe (0.99 whip, 2.98 era in 38 appearances.)
Towers
Joe Kennedy

The fourteen position player spots seem to be pretty much done with a bench of Scutaro, Stairs, Lind, Adams and Thigpen/Fasano.

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I dont' know Chacin's health status, but if he's healthy, he's better than McGowan or Litsch imo. but really, they just need to get rid of any connection to Towers.

btw, what's Thomas doing?

centris 11-19-2007 03:07 PM

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I dont' know Chacin's health status, but if he's healthy, he's better than McGowan

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What? In 2005 when chacin was healthy and when he put up good numbers K/9 5.3, BB/9 3.1, GB .41. This past year McGowan K/9 7.9, BB/9 3.3, GB .53.

McGowan is one of the top 10 starters in the AL, Chacin is replacement level. Chacin's 2005 ERA was a BABIP/LOB% fluke.

brettbrettr 11-19-2007 03:16 PM

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I don't know baseball stats well so what does this mean:

273/.321/.403 (BA/SLG/OBP?)

centris 11-19-2007 03:21 PM

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I don't know baseball stats well so what does this mean:

273/.321/.403 (BA/ OBP/SLG ?)

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wisehandpoker 11-19-2007 03:31 PM

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Jays starting lineup;

C Zaun
1B Overbay
2B Hill
SS MacDonald
3B Glaus
O Rios
O Wells
O Johnson
D Thomas

As was said, McGowan is a monster in waiting. Chacin vs Litsch might be arguable, though I'd give it to Litsch after his year last year.

Zutroy 11-19-2007 03:37 PM

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Jays starting lineup;

C Zaun
1B Overbay
2B Hill
SS MacDonald
3B Glaus
O Rios
O Wells
O Johnson
D Thomas

As was said, McGowan is a monster in waiting. Chacin vs Litsch might be arguable, though I'd give it to Litsch after his year last year.

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Litsch was insanely lucky last year but his minor leauge numbers were pretty good so he could get better. How long do you think before Synder/Lind replaces Reed Johnson? The guy's a "gamer" and his defense is good but he's only ever had one good offensive season (two if you count 03 when he was just about average).

wisehandpoker 11-19-2007 03:51 PM

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There have been rumblings about Lind getting traded because of the lack of space and I have to think Snider's at least two years away (A ball in '07). If Lind sticks around, I have to think the job is his in '09 and maybe even later '08. Reed was great in '06 (.319/.390/.479) and awful in '07 (.236/.305/.320, due in large part to injuries) so it depends on which one shows up.

AbreuTime 11-19-2007 03:52 PM

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CC beat out Beckett for AL Cy Young....seriously?

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Are you really a Red Sox fan? You honestly think Beckett had a better year than CC? You do realize that the Cy Young voting is before the playoffs, right? Right? Really? You think that Beckett was so far superior than CC that there should have been no question? Really?
[/Bill Simmons style rant that is annoying to read]

Check out firejoemorgan.com. He did a recent post on the AL Cy Young race.

Mets re-sign the 32 year-old 2B Luis Castillo for 4 years, $25M.

Vyse 11-19-2007 05:58 PM

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That being said, Uribe is not significantly worse. Not really sure why they did this.

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Why wouldn't they just move Uribe to 2B?

Or trade him.

MikeyPatriot 11-19-2007 06:24 PM

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They probably will move Uribe to 2nd, even though they have a much cheaper, more patient player there in Richar.

Trade him where? Does anyone really have a need for Uribe?

Vyse 11-19-2007 06:25 PM

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Uribe's a solid player. No idea if other teams know that, but he is.

Richar isn't very good

slothinator 11-19-2007 06:26 PM

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That being said, Uribe is not significantly worse. Not really sure why they did this.

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Why wouldn't they just move Uribe to 2B?

Or trade him.

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They won't move Uribe to 2B because they have Richar ready to take over at 2B. I am not sure what kind of trade market there would be for a player like Uribe.


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