10 NL turn/river with marginal hand
 

main villan is 58/20/4 over bout 50 hands
pfr is weakTAG 22/9/1.5

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $17.80
Hero (CO): $12.15
BTN: $6.15
SB: $9.60
BB: $5.60
UTG: $10.10

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.30</font>, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.80</font>, BB calls $0.80, MP folds

Turn: ($2.55) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.55) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1.80</font>, Hero ?

should I fire the turn here? his range is huge but I do have showdown value.

river everything missed easy call?
comments on all streets welcome

Re: 10 NL turn/river with marginal hand
 

Main villain is way too damn aggressive for 58 VP$IP for me to be folding this river. Crap, in addition to a flush draw, he was probably calling the flop with any two rag cards with vague straight potential and maybe with any two overcards.

Checking the turn for pot control seems fine against this guy. There may be value in a bet, but who knows who's drawing really, and whatever value there is, there's a decent chance he'll give it back to you on the river after he misses. Plus, getting checkraised without really being sure you're beat would suck.

Re: 10 NL turn/river with marginal hand
 

i would play the same, check the turn and i think its +EV to call this river.

Re: 10 NL turn/river with marginal hand
 

This is NL10......no need to play tricky poker, does nobody else advocate just check your 3rd pair on a drawy board?

As played this seems like a river fold...you checked the turn showing weakness yes, and he might be bluffing, but eh I probably fold and not put in 20% of my stack with 44 here....his stats are irrelevant here, 50 hands it nowhere near enough to determine anything.

Re: 10 NL turn/river with marginal hand
 

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This is NL10......no need to play tricky poker, does nobody else advocate just check your 3rd pair on a drawy board?

As played this seems like a river fold...you checked the turn showing weakness yes, and he might be bluffing, but eh I probably fold and not put in 20% of my stack with 44 here....his stats are irrelevant here, 50 hands it nowhere near enough to determine anything.

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maybe your right but I figured I crushed MP range once he checks flop and prob ahead of BB range as well so I dont know if betting flop is "getting tricky"

Re: 10 NL turn/river with marginal hand
 

The river looks like a value bet to me. You gave it a shot, but I think it's time to fold.