KQs. Flop=yay. Turn= nay
 

I played with the SB shorthanded in the must-move, where he was pretty damned loosepassive. He didn't bluff, or valuebet anything except strong hands. He was really loose PF, but only raised big hands.
I just broke this other guy in the must move HU, so now I am in the full game.

Hollywood park 15/30

I raise KdQd UTG. 4 callers.

Flop QsTs5c (5bb)

sb checks. aggro BB donks. I raise. Loose passive sb calls. BB calls. I tell myself that if sb donks a spade I am releasing.

Turn is an offsuit 8. SB donks, bb folds. Getting 5:1 effective on a calldown, and 9:1 immmediate odds, I...?

A. Call and fold river unless I make 2 pair
B. Call turn and call river
C. other...

Re: KQs. Flop=yay. Turn= nay
 

My instinct is to raise with the intention of not putting any more money into the pot, but I dunno, folding against a super passive guy seems ok too.

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My instinct is to raise with the intention of not putting any more money into the pot, but I dunno, folding against a super passive guy seems ok too.

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Raising the turn is the worst option available.

Honestly I'd just fold here. BB LAG will hate you and get mad and he will also be more inclined to fastplay harder against you. SB could have easily called two cold with something like Th 8s or something which has you drawing VERYYYY thin. Also no matter what the river is you can never raise, which sucks.

EDIT: It's yea not yay Shakespeare.

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SB could have easily called two cold with something like Th 8s or something which has you drawing VERYYYY thin

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Maybe you want to think this one through a but more. Does 8T really have him drawing thin?

Re: KQs. Flop=yay. Turn= nay
 

Hmm...what did i miss? Why are we thinking fold here? So you've played with that guy for couple of hours and in those 40 hands he was lucky enough to show down huge hands so what? I call the turn and blank river but i wouldn't blame anybody for raising the turn and then check for an ace,jack,9 or 8 on the river.

Re: KQs. Flop=yay. Turn= nay
 

Oh. Hmm. I thought the board was monotone the first time around. I suck.


I call this down and raise the good river cards. I don't *love* my hand but I still like it.

I think wanting to fold is incorrect.

Re: KQs. Flop=yay. Turn= nay
 

This is pretty close. I'm assuming since SB is LP that he is probably only betting at least 2 pair here or better. I figure you are drawing live against SB half of the time to approximately 8 outs.

I would call turn and fold UI. Raise/Bet a river K/Q/5 and just call a 10...fold an 8.

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Fold.

About 50% time you are up against T8/Q8, 50% vs straight. I'm counting ~4 outs avg. It's worse if you think he'd donk Q8.

EDIT: If you think he'd donk something like pair + turned gutshot different story but based on description seems unlikely.

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Fold.

About 50% time you are up against T8/Q8, 50% vs straight. I'm counting ~4 outs avg. It's worse if you think he'd donk Q8.

EDIT: If you think he'd donk something like pair + turned gutshot different story but based on description seems unlikely.

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Re: KQs. Flop=yay. Turn= nay
 

You don't have enough of a read on this guy to start making big folds like this in my opinion.