Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

Isn't everyone on here always criticizing p5ers as overaggro monkeys, but now they are nits? And we don't really have to worry that much about someone picking up a hand to call us that much. It's less than 10%.

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

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Isn't everyone on here always criticizing p5ers as overaggro monkeys, but now they are nits? And we don't really have to worry that much about someone picking up a hand to call us that much. It's less than 10%.

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In my experience a few of the top ranked p5ers are crazy but your average p5er plays like 9/7 and does things like squeeze to 140k with 300k behind with AQ to find out where he's at.

Steve

P.S. If timex is reading 2p2 right now, I put the over/under on him fyp-ing my post to read AK at like 18 seconds.

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

In the first hand I folded because as woodguy said

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Raising less than all in UTG with less than 10BB's puts you a dog to the range.

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I think that is the key to the hand. If he just open shoves UTG I'd be more likely to call, but still unsure because I hadn't seen him play any pots.


I shoved the second hand because I felt by shoving he removed most big pairs from his range. People almost never shove AA or KK here and it seems very rare that they shove QQ or JJ too. I'm most scared of 66-99, but he has some ace or two big cards much more often. I'm not worried about the blinds picking up a hand too much, and even if I lose the hand I still cover the table (which is also true of the first hand, I just think the %s and advantages of winning the pot are different). Also, I definitely don't think p5ers are nits.


I do think the second hand is much closer than the first after looking at them though. Stack considerations definitely play a major part in both decisions though. In the second hand we go to 1.2 mil as opposed to 1.1 in the first and those extra 100k chips are very valuable at this point.

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

jordan,

if he'd pushed previously a few times to increase his stack to the point it's at, i would include aa and kk in his pushing range.

i would probably fold both.

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

I fold both.

Hand 1 is IMO even more clear as people who 3X under a 10 BB stack are almost always trying to get creative with a big hand despite that move not possibly being creative anymore.

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jordan,

if he'd pushed previously a few times to increase his stack to the point it's at, i would include aa and kk in his pushing range.

i would probably fold both.

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He had just gotten that short within the last 5-10 hands, not sure of the specifics, but I still doubt he is doing that with AA/KK.

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

ya put me in the fold both camp as well, steve and bonds reasoning are both good.

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jordan,

if he'd pushed previously a few times to increase his stack to the point it's at, i would include aa and kk in his pushing range.

i would probably fold both.

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He had just gotten that short within the last 5-10 hands, not sure of the specifics, but I still doubt he is doing that with AA/KK.

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well, if he'd just gotten short, i agree that it makes aa/kk unlikely.

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

hand 1 is a fold but is a reship if he had open shoved.

hand 2 is a marginal shove. you are ahead of his range with dead money. it is close but you definitely have more than the 45% that you need to be +cEV

Re: A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.
 

On the point of Hand 1 being a fold. If we were Villain in this spot, and have a shove-worthy hand, I assume it's better to 3BB it instead of shove? Or against the average remaining players, is a shove still more effective?

I've been experimenting with the 3BB raise when less than 10BBs and it's been pretty successful so far. I even occasionally get a guy to flat call and then fold to a flop shove.