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z28dreams 11-13-2007 06:53 PM

33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $50.50
BB: $94
UTG: $162.25
MP: $25.40
CO: $50
BTN: $70.05

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.75</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $4

Flop: ($12) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???

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Villain is 10/10 over 30 hands. He's been attacking the blinds alot, so I'm mostly interested in hearing about post-flop play.

Do you lead here? After his raise, do I have any fold equity to shove?

What's the consensus, just fold, or shove on top?
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Nick C 11-13-2007 07:07 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
I don't think you have any really good options, but it appears that Villain is going to push the turn anyway (and if he doesn't, it's probably because he's got clubs or Ax and hasn't hit yet). Probably I go ahead and push now and hope I have some folding equity.

It sucks though because your hand figures to be at least somewhat of an underdog to his range, and the action suggests your folding equity probably isn't so great. But the pot isn't empty, so there you go.

TJ Eckleburg12 11-13-2007 07:11 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
I'm not a fan of the out of position 3-bet preflop with a small pocket pair. Just call and set-farm there, PF.

On the flop, I like 3-betting all in over the top also... represents a set and probably has at least some fold equity.

z28dreams 11-13-2007 07:16 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
FWIW, I shoved.

Is a fold completely out of the question here?

I felt like I might have -some- fold equity vs. TT,JJ, maybe QQ. I don't think this nit has AK here.

bravos1 11-13-2007 07:16 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not a fan of the out of position 3-bet preflop with a small pocket pair. Just call and set-farm there, PF.

On the flop, I like 3-betting all in over the top also... represents a set and probably has at least some fold equity.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just set-mining here in the SB after BTN opens is pretty bad IMO. BTNs range is wide and I often 3bet here as well.

I posted a hand very similar where I shoved.. still not sure it is correct though?

z28dreams 11-13-2007 07:22 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
The way I figure, shoving can't be -that- bad.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.216% 32.48% 00.74% 13182 300.50 { 3h3s }
Hand 1: 66.784% 66.04% 00.74% 26807 300.50 { TT+, 55-44, 22, 54s }

Assuming he calls all possibilities, I'm still around 30%. I have around $37 behind to shove into what will be a pot of $100, so I'm pretty close to even, and with some fold equity might even be able to get ahead.

doppelganger 11-13-2007 07:22 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
I see villains do this with AK/AQ on this board quite a lot, thinking they are ahead of weaker aces and have at least 7-9 outs if they're behind. It could also be a flush draw, although overcards w/ a FD is a favorite and would be correct in calling a push.

A set is unlikely for someone w/ 10/10 stats, since their range is mostly bigger PP's and broadways. I think you're in a flip situation here, but the money already in the pot justifies a push.

z28dreams 11-13-2007 07:24 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
Another note:

Suppose you are villain in this hand with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and I lead into you. Do you always raise?

doppelganger 11-13-2007 07:25 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
[ QUOTE ]
Another note:

Suppose you are villain in this hand with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and I lead into you. Do you always raise?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

maciczka 11-13-2007 08:22 PM

Re: 33 flops OESD in r/r pot
 
[ QUOTE ]
Another note:

Suppose you are villain in this hand with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and I lead into you. Do you always raise?

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I just instashove with AK of clubs here. I mean really INSTA


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