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tozzy 11-30-2007 01:47 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
to all of you that say call, please add some sort of range or expand on what you think a donk's (albeit almost no statistical evidence for this assumption) intuition is here.

rand 11-30-2007 02:39 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
to me, from the player described (an AF would help) the small raise seems to be for value and then he shoves when the diamond hit "to stop another one from coming" to protect his hand not to bluff diamonds

jfish 11-30-2007 02:43 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
agree with melch, hes not wrong.

Renton 11-30-2007 02:51 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
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FionnMac 11-30-2007 03:25 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
[ QUOTE ]
I did not say fold. Just that when we are behind, I expect it to be those hands mostly.

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ok, so do you call or fold?

Melchiades 11-30-2007 03:31 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
I probably shake my head. Say to myself: "God I [censored] suck so bad, why do I have to be such a [censored] station? I have a draw though..." and press call.

It really does depend on what kind of fish I think villain is though, the preflop numbers don't tell the whole story here. I'm sure I can locate the fold button here sometimes.

donkeykong2 11-30-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
from his preflop stats he doesnt seem like an aggro maniac he may have two pair though so a call might not be that horrible equity wise. i doubt you are ahead a lot here, i d definitely fold this.

blankoblanco 11-30-2007 04:52 PM

Re: Villain shoves for 2x pot but i have top pair so i call
 
[ QUOTE ]

But i've never ever seen someone show up with a flush or a set here. I was more worried about a panicking 2 pair that doesn't want to bet and be put to a decision if i shove, or a slowplayed overpair. AQ is def possible although other queens are too.

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just checking: if you didn't have the Qd, you would have folded, right?


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