3-bet pot AI decision NL 100
 

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

SB: $94.79
BB: $124.36
UTG: $100
MP: $93.68
Hero (CO): $116.95
BTN: $100.65

UTG posts $1
Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $10

Flop: ($29.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $21</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $86 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $65

Villain is 28/19/2.2 after 80 hands. Would anyone fold here? What about TT, 99?

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call.

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I would not fold getting 2:1 given the action so far.

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I would not fold getting 2:1 given the action so far.

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what? do you think he is bluffing? this action makes me think he is super strong

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I agree to a call here (although I don't think it's that obvious) but would like opinions on TT and 99. When do you think our equity becomes too small, which OP do you start folding here?

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the fact that he raised UTG and called a reraise makes me thing his range is tight here so I would fold.

I don't think you are ever ahead here (only of AKs/AQs/AJs and those have a ton of outs)

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easy snap call here

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I agree to a call here (although I don't think it's that obvious) but would like opinions on TT and 99. When do you think our equity becomes too small, which OP do you start folding here?

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We need about 34% equity to make the call.
We get close to that with a range like this :
Hand 0: 32.905% 30.53% 02.38% 51678 4027.50 { JJ }
Hand 1: 67.095% 64.72% 02.38% 109557 4027.50 { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd }

But if we take out TT we are never better then 20%.So we hope here he does this with a pp smaller than JJ or some bluff ?

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AK bluffing, yeah. I'm just curious because I would fold TT here and super-insta call with QQ. Whether this is sound or not I don't know, I'd just draw the line with JJ and am wondering what the worst hand others are calling here with is and why.

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I know its not a reliable tell, but how fast did he shove? Like, I doubt he instashoves here with TT, JJ or even QQ.

Even with great odds I think this is a fold. Against JJ+ and two overs with a FD (AQhh AKhh) you are about 25/75.

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We need about 34% equity to make the call.
We get close to that with a range like this :
Hand 0: 32.905% 30.53% 02.38% 51678 4027.50 { JJ }
Hand 1: 67.095% 64.72% 02.38% 109557 4027.50 { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd }

But if we take out TT we are never better then 20%.So we hope here he does this with a pp smaller than JJ or some bluff ?

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This range is too wide IMO. You won't see KK-AA here often at all, and you won't see AdJd because we hold the Jd. I think the range is more like:


Board: 6s 5d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.223% 45.59% 03.64% 7221 576.00 { QQ-TT, AdKd, AdQd, KdQd }
Hand 1: 50.777% 47.14% 03.64% 7467 576.00 { JdJh }

Which makes it an easy call.

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"You wont see KK-AA here often at all"

umm, what?

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"You wont see KK-AA here often at all"

umm, what?

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Are you implying players at this limit don't often 4-bet AA/KK from UTG?

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easy snap call? 66 and 55 not an option? I mean, it's generally not the situation, but ...

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From my experience on party, AA and KK here would be very rare. I don't even remember the last time I've seen someone slowplay either of them unless it was a fish just limping in pf.

Edit: My image is nothing crazy, taggy 19/16 although I may 3bet more than your average guy at these stakes.

Edit 2: I don't remember how long he took to shove, multitabling...

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We need about 34% equity to make the call.
We get close to that with a range like this :
Hand 0: 32.905% 30.53% 02.38% 51678 4027.50 { JJ }
Hand 1: 67.095% 64.72% 02.38% 109557 4027.50 { TT+, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd }

But if we take out TT we are never better then 20%.So we hope here he does this with a pp smaller than JJ or some bluff ?

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This range is too wide IMO. You won't see KK-AA here often at all, and you won't see AdJd because we hold the Jd. I think the range is more like:


Board: 6s 5d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.223% 45.59% 03.64% 7221 576.00 { QQ-TT, AdKd, AdQd, KdQd }
Hand 1: 50.777% 47.14% 03.64% 7467 576.00 { JdJh }

Which makes it an easy call.

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Why can't he have KK/AA often?There is no rule you have to 4bet AA/KK PF every time.
My mistake for putting AJ there but I still don't think we should call this .I think we still hope be does this with something smaller than TT or some bluff to make this a call

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You'll sometimes see AA/KK/QQ here

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Sure, but "sometimes" isn't "often." If you want to include KK/AA in your range, then go ahead. But I'd recommend you discount them at least somewhat.

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i am never ever folding on this flop, it is about the best flop you can ask for w/o a J on it

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I know its not a reliable tell, but how fast did he shove? Like, I doubt he instashoves here with TT, JJ or even QQ.

Even with great odds I think this is a fold. Against JJ+ and two overs with a FD (AQhh AKhh) you are about 25/75.

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I see posts like this all the time. Maybe you are right, maybe not.

But I'm pretty sure I have never seen a reg fold JJ in a spot like this, ever. In villains spot, I shove a lot of hands, and a lot of bluffs, especially vs. ppl who 3-bet a bit liberally. And when I shove, I'm never thinking "Maybe he'll fold JJ", lol.

I just have my doubts that any of you who advocate a fold here ever actually do it at the table.

And by the way, I snap call because I 3-bet just light enough to piss people off and get bluff-shoved on a lot, and because I am a station.

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Sure, but "sometimes" isn't "often." If you want to include KK/AA in your range, then go ahead. But I'd recommend you discount them at least somewhat.

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If I had to pick villain's most likely non-bluffing hands, they'd be QQ+.

Discounting KK/AA here is pretty retarded.