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BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 12:35 PM

NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
hi guys, i have extensive limit experience and figured i'd try nl for a while. i am still getting used to the differences and would like some feedback. apologies in advance if i didn't host these very well. or, if there are more stats you'd like, or if i need to change some pt setting, please let me know. anyway lemme have it and thanks again!

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Effen 11-26-2007 12:52 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
Without getting into it too deeply, your position stats shouldn't be so uniform throughout -- my UTG at 25NL is 10/10 for example, and button is 28/20 at 25NL. Definitely loosen up in the last two positions.

You could stand to up the PFR to about 10-11 if you're going to maintain a 16% vpip -- I personally run about 16/11 so it's certainly doable.

Blind steal % is okay but could even be higher, at 25NL people don't defend nearly enough, think about adding fold to blind steal to your HUD and attack people with 75%+ with anything every hand. Mine is about 42% fwiw.

Your went to showdown % is insanely low, I don't think I've seen one that low, you're losing value folding middle pairs in really small pots I'd imagine (JT on KJ782 or something).

BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 12:55 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
yea effen i agree with you - i almost thought the pt stats were off b/c if i'm stealing 31% blinds then how can my co and btn open stats be so low? and yes i am much looser in lp than in ep (raise a lot of stuff first in in co or btn that i'd obv fold pf in ep) so maybe there is some setting i need to change? although i will admit i am used to analyzing stats in a limit setting so maybe i just need more time to get used to this. thanks for your comments.

too eazy 11-26-2007 12:55 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
Play less hands.

What Effen said about Pos Stats 100%.

coordi 11-26-2007 12:56 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
These posts are stupid...

Hi, im winning at a very reasonable rate, tell me my holes.

raise sb more, less calling.

BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 12:58 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
hi coordi, thanks for the feedback, as someone new to nl i don't know what's a reasonable winrate or not, and any info you choose to give me is certainly most welcome. i almost took the winrate out of there since i thought it might sway responses, but even if it was losing i'd have put it in there once i got to 20k hands.

BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 12:59 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
hi too eazy, thanks for your comments

Brimstead 11-26-2007 01:09 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
loosen up in LP, you should be winning more money from back there, but 20k hands isn't a huge sample so those figures could be down to variance.

Looks like you are playing your big blinds very well, but you are losing more in the SB. Call less in the SB, and play less hands. you are running at 22vpip from the worst position at the table post-flop.

threads13 11-26-2007 01:48 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
Loosen up big time in LP. You can play so many more hands in LP than you are.

FWIW, nearly every time I see a stats post the poster plays too tight on the button, IMO. I think that undervaluing position is a common mistake to make, especially when you come from limit.

dchz 11-26-2007 01:59 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
HEY BBB,

long time no talk sorry i missed your IM, i was in class, hope boston is working out well for ya [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], GO pats, close game last night

anyways, as you've known, i'm not a big guy on stats, so i am not too sure about all these but i did find a few spots on top of what everyone has already said:

your Went to Showdown seems kinda low, i would classify you as weak tight if i saw you at my table (at NL25 or NL50 i don't really mind this, everyone is playing so bad and no one ever exploits weak tight anyways)

otherwise i think this is solid at NL25 (never really played NL 25 and haven't played NL50 in a long time, but i think i can still judge)

i don't think it's really necessary to loosen up as everyone said, the point of loosening up is to give up a smaller mistake PF and induce a worse mistake Post flop from your opponents, but at this level your opponents are making such big mistakes anyways there isn't too much of a point to loosen up...

also i would like to remind you to value overcards less OOP on flops than in limit poker,

otherwise congrats on beat this game for 5 ptbb/100, move up to NL50 plz :-p

IM me if you need anything

threads13 11-26-2007 02:04 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
[ QUOTE ]

i don't think it's really necessary to loosen up as everyone said, the point of loosening up is to give up a smaller mistake PF and induce a worse mistake Post flop from your opponents, but at this level your opponents are making such big mistakes anyways there isn't too much of a point to loosen up...

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I disagree. The point of loosening up is that position is so powerful that more hands are profitable. I guess it really depends on what you are calling a mistake though. However, you can and should definitely loosen up on the button.

BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 03:11 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
hi brimstead, threads, and dchz, thanks for the advice!

i thought that i am looser in lp - with 31% att to steal shouldn't that show up somehow elsewhere? am i just reading things wrong? doesn't that mean if it's folded to me otb my raise there is 31? so i'm not sure why in the other graphic my button vpip is so low. does that seem odd to you guys?

Chargers In 07 11-26-2007 03:13 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
The steal percentage is from the C/O, button, and I think the small blind. Raise limpers more often.

AlexB182 11-26-2007 03:14 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
Chargers is right, steal % only shows when you attacked the blinds from CO or BTN when it was FOLDED to you. Normal LP stats also show when you raise limpers, reraise PF, coldcall and all that stuff...

threads13 11-26-2007 03:17 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
[ QUOTE ]
hi brimstead, threads, and dchz, thanks for the advice!

i thought that i am looser in lp - with 31% att to steal shouldn't that show up somehow elsewhere? am i just reading things wrong? doesn't that mean if it's folded to me otb my raise there is 31? so i'm not sure why in the other graphic my button vpip is so low. does that seem odd to you guys?

[/ QUOTE ]

What everyone else said is accurate. You may be stealing "a lot", but I am looking at just your VPIP on the button.

BadBigBabar 11-26-2007 03:32 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
oh cool, thanks for the clarification chargers and alex and other guys; that was definitely something i didn't understand previously.

Guruman 11-26-2007 08:06 PM

Re: NL 25 - 20k stats checkup - comments appreciated
 
I don't see the pic bbb, but you know what to do - post and respond to hands.


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