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OneFive 11-15-2007 02:45 PM

NL400 thin value shove???
 
Villain is 26/15/2.5 over 1800 hands. My notes on him say, min check raises sets and made a really questionable call with top pair weak kicker on a 4 way flop. I have never seen him show down a major bluff and I don't remember ever seeing him limp/call utg. There are two fish at the table and basically no hand is getting limped around, so at first his limp call confused me, but by the end I think his hand is pretty face up. I'm running tight at 16/12 and have c-bet 90% of the time for about 120 hands at the table, but if he has HUD he probably has me looser than that. I have shown down a bluff in the last 20 hands fwiw. Oh, and he checked all 3 streets very quickly.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $400
Hero: $446.25
CO: $881.80
Button: $632.70
SB: $396
BB: $408.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($56, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $37</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($130, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $80</font>, UTG calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($290, 2 players)
UTG checks

He has about 265 left by the river. I was considering 3 options, (although a fourth would be to check behind)1) bet 1/3 of the pot and call a raise 2)straight value bet for about 1/2 pot or 3) Value shove, which may look more like a bluff and he might hero call. I'm pretty sure the only hand I'm worried about here is Q-T. So, what to do on the river?? I think my bet sizing sucks now that I look at it, but at the time I was trying to make it look like a big hand by leaving him about a psb on the river. Comments on all streets appreciated.

Gimli_ 11-15-2007 02:48 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
If i bet 1/3 pot I would not call shove.

OneFive 11-15-2007 03:01 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
If I bet 1/3 pot it was to induce a shove, because I think his hand is pretty obvious and even Q-T is a bit worried I 2 barrelled AK into the nuts

AAismyfriend 11-15-2007 05:40 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
I bet a bit more on the turn, and I shove the river vs this guy, although he's probably not calling with his pair of Ts.

g-p 11-15-2007 05:45 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
this guy is never check shoving the river

ever ever ever

LouisCyphre 11-15-2007 05:50 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
Villain has to put you on a triple barrel with 99-66/44/33 to justify calling. I don't think that is the case often enough.

Cashane 11-15-2007 06:03 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
He has AT most of he time. It's not a good river for you, and it's not a good board for him to be tempted by a hero call on a shove. Just milk him 100$ (option 1). If he folds as well, you'll know it can be worth 3 barrel-bluffing him cheap in some similar spots.

mused01 11-15-2007 10:23 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
If you've been making him fold a lot, I don't mind shoving here. I either bet 2/3 of the pot here (almost always) or shove (depends on how active I've been).

Rakeback88.com 11-15-2007 10:33 PM

Re: NL400 thin value shove???
 
i'd check river


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