$16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

Hey. How's this? CO is a loose player, little experience with him. Hand plays out kinda awkwardly b/c of shorty btn. C/c riv is best or vbet shove? Not sure what villain has, but I could be being trapped. Slow down at any point?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2979)
Button (t635)
SB (t6741)
Hero (t3145)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO calls t200, Button calls t200, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero checks

Flop: (t700) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t500</font>, CO calls t500, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>

Turn: (t1700) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t1250</font>, CO calls t1250

River: (t4200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

IMO if you choose on the flop to play aggressively here (I think that is best) then you should shove the river. I can't see laying this down at the river so you are getting it in if you shove and he calls or you check and let him bet for you. I don't think he bets worse hands here, so you only get value from the worse hands if you shove, and I think you stack off no matter what if he has you beat.

The only other way to play would I guess be to check the flop and try to either get value from later streets when its more controlled or by shoving over him if he bets. I don't think this is that great of a way to play the hand though.

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

GAYYY SPOT
v shove riv tho

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

I would not muck to shove on riv obv if I checked.

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

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I would not muck to shove on riv obv if I checked.

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Then a river shove seems pretty automatic.

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

i would c/r the flop and shove turn.

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

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i would c/r the flop and shove turn.

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Bet flop is fine i think and very good

I shove turn after short stack folds you have him covered he is mostlikely calling with a weak hand after the flop because SS is in hand.

regardless you have the other person covered and mostlikly you are ahead course you dont have him covered by much and youll be in bad shape if you lose.

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i would c/r the flop and shove turn.

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Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

Def agree that we should lead flop.

Re: $16 2 pair on bbl from BB
 

most draws missed, but you dont have much money behind and at this point hes calling with any TP/2nd pair hand that he took this line with and a lot of draws couldve picked up a little something else to want to call by the time they reach the final street. if you think hes always on a draw there isnt a ton of value in betting river, but i dont think we can make that assumption bc villain sucks.

With the read and line taken, value shove river.