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TheChad 10-18-2007 02:38 PM

QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
UBER-loose game. I've seen KTo and A7o showdown from 3bettors.

I just won a pot against villain after rivering a gut against his TPCK. I can't tell if he's tilting or not.
I'm sitting on a little over $100, table covers (avg around $180-200). first raiser is super laggy. Villain hasn't done anything crazy that I've seen yet.

UTG limps, lagtard bumps to $15, guy to his left calls $15. I'm basically discounting the caller as a fish, seems weak-tight.

First Q, shove/call/raise (how much)?

I elected to go $45. The guy behind me tanks for a few seconds (I'm assuming that he was thinking about his RR), and puts in his whole stack of reds ($220ish). Lagtard's friend goes "What did you do??" He replies in the tank, "I don't know!" Both of them fold. I think for a few seconds to see if I can read anything here. Villain is showing his cards to the two guys to his left.

Call? (Insert vomit here)

I feel like I've put too much in (not quite half) to fold, so I call for my last $60ish and we showdown.

Is there any way to play this better? (not BBV) I'm thinking a smooth call PF, but I still think vil would have 3b and I'd be put in a tougher place. Open shove seems nice too.

TheChad 10-18-2007 02:42 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
oh, this was live action (no converter)

rdrr 10-18-2007 02:43 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
Playing this any other way would be retarded, nh.

jetsetboy 10-18-2007 02:43 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
open shove

rdrr 10-18-2007 02:44 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
Except maybe raise more or just shove preflop.

Mike Kelley 10-18-2007 02:53 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
Villains who show their cards to their neighbors are never marginal in their holdings, according to Mike Caro anyway. I would probably fold it, but I would probably of shoved pre-this happening so no tough decision for me.

Landlord79 10-18-2007 03:04 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
[ QUOTE ]
UBER-loose game. I've seen KTo and A7o showdown from 3bettors.

I just won a pot against villain after rivering a gut against his TPCK. I can't tell if he's tilting or not.
I'm sitting on a little over $100, table covers

[/ QUOTE ]

I stopped reading here...

justscott 10-18-2007 03:15 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
UBER-loose game. I've seen KTo and A7o showdown from 3bettors.

I just won a pot against villain after rivering a gut against his TPCK. I can't tell if he's tilting or not.
I'm sitting on a little over $100, table covers

[/ QUOTE ]

I stopped reading here...

[/ QUOTE ]

My thoughts exactly.

Hklm8383 10-18-2007 03:32 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
call please

Albert Moulton 10-18-2007 03:32 PM

Re: QQ 1/2nl, can I vomit?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm sitting on a little over $100

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You would have more options if you had more money. Buy-in full at a game like this, then play very tight. And don't bluff much.

[ QUOTE ]
UTG limps, lagtard bumps to $15, guy to his left calls $15. I'm basically discounting the caller as a fish, seems weak-tight.

First Q, shove/call/raise (how much)?

I elected to go $45.

[/ QUOTE ]

$45 is good. It's less than a full pot-sized raise, but not so much that you won't get a caller (or two) in a game like this. If you get 1 caller, the pot is over $90 and you only have $55 left, so all your money is going in on any flop unless a K or A flop and somebody donk bets into you all-in. Even then, you might have to call if the donk bettor ever bluffs in a situation like that without at least top pair.

[ QUOTE ]
The guy behind me tanks for a few seconds (I'm assuming that he was thinking about his RR), and puts in his whole stack of reds ($220ish) ... [other players] fold ... Villain is showing his cards to the two guys to his left.


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After making a big bet, sharing cards is a tell from Mike Caro's book of tells that he has a big hand. He wouldn't show it to his friends if it was a bluff, JJ/TT/some other marginal hand. So, it's probably KK or AA. Your problem is that so much is now in the middle relative to your remaining stack that if he ever has AK here, then you have to call. And given the loose aggressive nature of the game, I think he will have AKs here often enough, "showing off" big slick to his friends, that you have to call.

I wouldn't vomit. When you play with a 1/2-sized stack this kind of thing is going to happen all the time. And it isn't necessarily bad. The fact that you are not full-stacked actually increases the chance that the guy has AK and is willing to gamboooool for just $100 + the other money in the pot.


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