Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

Villain is 22/7 kinda weakish/badish. Tilt 28k.

Blinds 25/50, this is first tiem villain has done this.

Me: 4400
MP1: 2350

Hero holds AKo in the BB.

Preflop: Folds to MP1, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, folds to SB, SB calls, hero raises to 275, MP1 shoves, 2 folds, hero?

If not AK, whats your calling range here?

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I Call.

Do people limp with QQ+ in MP? Most people, even habitual AA in EP limpers, will raise here with a big hand, Plus you have over 2k at 25/50 if you lose, still playable.

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I doubt he's doing this with AQ, so what can you be calling that you're not racing against?

I insta fold here anything but AA and KK.

What a horriable play by villain, IMO; welcome to donkey town.

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calll. I prob call with 99+ and AK

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

Call because MP1s line is really counterintuitive for AA. Expect to be flipping a lot but don't be too surprised when you are against AQ/KQ.

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

Wow, I kind of expected that once you escaped micros you dodged play like this.

Without more info on his play I wouldn't be calling

Personally tho I don't like to give up a big stack on a race.

With QQ,KK,AA I'd call here, JJ is probably racing again (or dominated)
QQ is a race sometimes, or losing, but sometimes its AQ which is dominated. Thus QQ or better but if he repeats the process I'd expand his raising range and thus your calling range.

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Call because MP1s line is really counterintuitive for AA. Expect to be flipping a lot but don't be too surprised when you are against AQ/KQ.

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Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

You are also in the BB and he's a limper. He can be putting you on a steal and is making an ego play here.

This is a small pair often or QJ+.

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Wow, I kind of expected that once you escaped micros you dodged play like this.


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In micros it's usually not a play more like a "Damnit I wanted to see a flop with this hand. Oh well he's bluffing. I'll show him. All-in."

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

This shouldn't even be a question
Also, raise more preflop

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calll. I prob call with 99+ and AK

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Then what kind of range are you putting villain on?

22+,AQs+,AQo+ is certainly -EV here.

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calll. I prob call with 99+ and AK

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Poker stove likes the 88+ call.
Still, I can't see anyone sane making this move unless they have AA or KK.

I'm sure there are some people who like to defend limp parades... but doubtful they reside on planet earth.

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Still, I can't see anyone sane making this move unless they have AA or KK.

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then you clearly don't play enough tournaments

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Still, I can't see anyone sane making this move unless they have AA or KK.

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then you clearly don't play enough tournaments

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lol couldnt agree more here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ofcourse AA is a possible
call this easy
at worst youre against AA at little less worse youre flipping against a pair with 2 overcards

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

villian clearly has either 66, 77 or 88. oh yeah, and TJs. easy call.

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

Was there a player in between MP1 and the blinds that was very short stacked and looked to be all-in next hand?

Only asking because then this makes the limp rr with AA make more sense. Example mp1 has 3k, button has 550, you have 4k. Mp1 limps, button can't pass up the lipms and blinds and shoves any 2, blinds call, aa pushes.

I've seen people limp rr AI (11s and 22s) with small pockets and ace jack because they decide they want to flip all of a sudden.

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

TT+/AK is really standard here IMHO. With a read I can do something goofy like TT+/AJ+.

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KK+, wait for a better spot.

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Still, I can't see anyone sane making this move unless they have AA or KK.

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Why are you assuming your opponents are sane?

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Still, I can't see anyone sane making this move unless they have AA or KK.

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Why are you assuming your opponents are sane?

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This is so ironic.

Just a few minutes ago:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $20/$40
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $160</font>, SB calls, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $1240</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls, SB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2720, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2720)


Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2720, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2720)


River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2720, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2720)


Results:
Final pot: $2720

He had KK here.
Believe it or not I actually thought of this thread before I made that play and remembered shaundeeb's 99+ comment and what I found about 88+ in pokerstove.

I'm not listening to you donkeys anymore!!

Haha, I'm playing.. but seriously I think I fold most things here in the future.

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

Over the small sample size of my poker career I have never seen anything different than AA/KK here.

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QQ+ is my range

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Over the small sample size of my poker career I have never seen anything different than AA/KK here.

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I've seen any pair here, AK, AQ, KQs once (from Bobby Hoff, of all people), and I know I've done this at least once with 87s

The major reason this is a call is because the situation is much more prone for the villain to be bluffing rather than trapping (he limped in 3rd or 4th position, not 1st; and hero's raise is very easy to interpret as a steal.)

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yall people are nits, Esp the KK+ guy.


awwww in.

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

namespace although your hand looks the same it is nothing alike because of position, which is often seen as an important factor in no limit holdthems.

Re: Tilt $150, that classic everyone loves, the limp reraise all in
 

ok - so showing my donkey side

why is limping aa, kk qq etc as first (or second) in such a "donkish" play?

I often do that esp when everyone's M is high from ep for the particular reason that if you three times it very often you dont get callers.

if limped around i play for set value, play the flop and see resistance etc

if raised i either raise or call based on play ahead, how many callers etc

i will say the play is geting old in that limp from ep people are suspiscious of now, so been varying it but still get a lot of play when i do that

so reiterating, why is limping big pairs in ep "donkish" if discussed at length please point to a link

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ok - so showing my donkey side

why is limping aa, kk qq etc as first (or second) in such a "donkish" play?

I often do that esp when everyone's M is high from ep for the particular reason that if you three times it very often you dont get callers.

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I do the exact opposite. When M's are high, I try to get the most money in PF, and I hate it if it goes x-limp/check around, and you have tens and tens of BB's behind.

However, when M's are lower, people value the chips in the pot more, nad many people are also looking for opportunities to steal from limpers.

So what I'm looking for when I limp AA and KK in EP, is a table with stacks varying from 5-20bb, and aggressive people all around. Of course, if my M is small, like &lt;4, I just push, because I push with many other hands in this spot as well.

Of course, this strategy can backfire as well. FTP 75$ 12.5kg:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t120/t240
(Ante: t25)
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: t11525
UTG+1: t2425
MP1: t9425
CO: t10660
Button: t3997
SB: t2095
BB: t6781

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls t240 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t535)</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t3972</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls t3732 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t4747)</font>.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t8479, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8479)


Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t8479, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8479)


River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t8479, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t8479)


Results:
Final pot: t8479
<font color="#cc0000">Button showed 2c Ts</font>
<font color="#cc0000">Hero showed Ah Ad</font>