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Bill Ivey 11-07-2007 05:54 AM

I wanna get paidddd
 
$1k Super Tuesday

Effective stacks-
Me: $3825
Villain: $4200

Blinds are 25/50

I raise to 150 with TT from hijack, CO calls, and SB calls.

CO has been playing tight and not getting out of line. He is an unknown to me, but I pokerdb'd him and he is a pretty big winner. SB is loose-passive.

The flop comes AA9. I bet 300 and the CO calls.
The turn comes a ten. I bet 675 and he calls.

Both of his calls weren't instant, but the 15 second warning didn't come up either.

The river is a 4. I have 2700 left, and the pot is at 2425. I think he has AJ or AQ, so should I value bet, or shove?

RandALLin 11-07-2007 06:06 AM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
Stick it in yo.

ASPoker8 11-07-2007 06:10 AM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
Randal's right

Bond18 11-07-2007 06:11 AM

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Stick it in yo.

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Appropriate time for a 'that's what she said remark' perhaps?

I too go all in.

psyduck 11-07-2007 06:50 AM

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I insta-shove and think that a shove gets called as frequently as say a 2/3pot bet and perhaps even more frequently.

AcTiOnJaCsOn 11-07-2007 08:20 AM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
id make ur bet sizes on other streets bigger so that you dont have an awkward stack on the river. In this spot if hes good he wont pay u off much, but at the same time he really never has u beat. Hope hes bad or just stubborn and just shove all in

hasuuser 11-07-2007 09:20 AM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
Shove and ggs at the 1k. Well played:)

TheEye 11-07-2007 09:27 AM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
IMO, he pokerdb'd you as well, he is a big winner and he didn't instacall.
Have you got good stats? If yes value-bet, if not shove.

11-07-2007 10:21 AM

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11-07-2007 10:22 AM

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zizazziza 11-07-2007 11:01 AM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
checkking is terrible. As stated earlier, I think you need to bet slightly more on flop and turn (mostly turn) so that you are left with just a PSB left.

jcm4ccc 11-07-2007 11:31 AM

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Is it bad to check here sometimes? If he has Ax I think he's betting and then we can shove, no?

[/ QUOTE ] How do you decide if this is one of those times to check and one of those times to push? Random feelings? The internet is basically a bunch of people playing each other in the dark, and if there is a play that is clearly the most profitable, why mix it up with plays that are less profitable?

AQ or AJ checks the river most of the time. A check will rarely induce a bluff here, since your opponent appears to have something worth playing. AQ or AJ will call the river push most of the time. You stack AK regardless. A push is clearly more profitable than a check.

Pudge714 11-07-2007 12:14 PM

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AQ or AJ checks the river most of the time.

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lol.

Bet like 750 on the turn so river shove is easier. As played I still shove river.

jcm4ccc 11-07-2007 12:26 PM

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AQ or AJ checks the river most of the time.

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lol.

Bet like 750 on the turn so river shove is easier. As played I still shove river.

[/ QUOTE ] well, maybe not most of the time, but they will call a push on the river more often than they will bet the river if checked to.

authority11 11-07-2007 12:30 PM

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Obv shove.

d2themfi 11-07-2007 01:23 PM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
checking the river is absolutely god awful imo. I would also like to make the turn bet a bit bigger to make a shove easier on the river, but now just shove

eBo 11-07-2007 01:47 PM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
Strategy tip:

When betting a strong hand on the turn, with the likely possibility of betting again on the river...it's good strategy to pick an appropriate turn bet amount so that the river shove is NOT an overbet. The river shove will then seem like a natural bet, and you will be more likely to get paid off.

So in this hand, it would've been better to bet an extra 100 chips on the turn.

eBo

Cornell Fiji 11-07-2007 01:55 PM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
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Strategy tip:

When betting a strong hand on the turn, with the likely possibility of betting again on the river...it's good strategy to pick an appropriate turn bet amount so that the river shove is NOT an overbet. The river shove will then seem like a natural bet, and you will be more likely to get paid off.

So in this hand, it would've been better to bet an extra 100 chips on the turn.

eBo

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very true.

as played, stick it in yo

FLAWless 11-07-2007 02:28 PM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
i would shove. If he's callin you on flop and turn then he will probably call the river. nice 5th place finish!

Bill Ivey 11-07-2007 09:01 PM

Re: I wanna get paidddd
 
I thought my turn bet was a bit small, and I see now it would have made the river an easy shove.


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