Poker and Drug Testing
 

I believe that drug testing should be instituted to not only clean up the game but to level the playing field. If i'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are using speed and coke to stay alert? It's like using steroids in Football and those players should be banned.

What do people think?

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Please post more.

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yeah, id like to hear more of OP's thoughts before this thread really gets going.

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ROFL

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(I am assuming you mean cocaine and not coca-cola.)

With regards to your first point ('cleaning up' the game), why do you care if the player next to you is using drugs? It is none of your business.

I disagree with your second point. Using any drug would probably diminish your ability to make good poker decisions. Also, I find it hard to believe that someone who just used cocaine would want to sit at a poker table for hours.

Should caffeine be illegal since makes a person more alert?

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I believe that drug testing should be instituted to not only clean up the game but to level the playing field. If i'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are using speed and coke to stay alert? It's like using steroids in Football and those players should be banned.

What do people think?

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I see sublminininalals in your post

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I believe that drug testing should be instituted to not only clean up the game but to level the playing field. If i'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are using speed and coke to stay alert? It's like using steroids in Football and those players should be banned.

What do people think?

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I see sublminininalals in your post

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Should caffeine be illegal since makes a person more alert?

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No, but there is a huge difference between caffeine and aderal or ritalin.

I'm surprised this isn't discussed more in the context of tournament poker. It would definitely help maintaining alertness, concentration and focus over a long tournament day, and all other things benig equal a player using it has an advantage over a player not using it in a long session.

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Why did this get banned?

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Should caffeine be illegal since makes a person more alert?

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No, but there is a huge difference between caffeine and aderal or ritalin.

I'm surprised this isn't discussed more in the context of tournament poker. It would definitely help maintaining alertness, concentration and focus over a long tournament day, and all other things benig equal a player using it has an advantage over a player not using it in a long session.

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That is a reasonable issue to discuss. But I'm pretty sure that the OP was referring to illegal drugs, which is a bit silly.

I believe that Paul Phillips has said that when he started taking a certain medication (I forget the name of it, perhaps ritalin), he was able to focus more during tournaments.

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I guess it didn't get banned.

Anyway, using cocaine or speed would increase your mental alertness during marathon sessions. It's a performance enhancing drug, for poker, and I don't believe it should be allowed. It definitely gives somebody a mental edge.

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I guess it didn't get banned.

Anyway, using cocaine or speed would increase your mental alertness during marathon sessions. It's a performance enhancing drug, for poker, and I don't believe it should be allowed. It definitely gives somebody a mental edge.

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If its such an edge why dont you do it, se the $$$ rolling in
FWIW im pretty sure beta blockers would provide more of an edge for a lot of people

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god damn coca cola junkies winning tournaments drinking coca cola... OP Try going on a 3-day cocaine/meth/speed binge and playing a final table at the end.

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I guess it didn't get banned.

Anyway, using cocaine or speed would increase your mental alertness during marathon sessions. It's a performance
enhancing drug, for poker, and I don't believe it should be allowed. It definitely gives somebody a mental edge.

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I guess it didn't get banned.

Anyway, using cocaine or speed would increase your mental alertness during marathon sessions. It's a performance enhancing drug, for poker, and I don't believe it should be allowed. It definitely gives somebody a mental edge.

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I don't think you have ever played poker high on coke. Everyone but the player on coke has the edge, trust me on this.

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Is it OK if I drink coffee? The caffeine keeps me awake.

In the interests of fairness, I should point out that I will likely miss a few hands now and then because I'm making trips to the bathroom.

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I believe that drug testing should be instituted to not only clean up the game but to level the playing field. If i'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are using speed and coke to stay alert? It's like using steroids in Football and those players should be banned.

What do people think?

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I think that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Maybe they should drug test chess players too.

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I believe that IQ testing should be instituted to level the playing field. If I'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are measurably smarter than I am. Perhaps alternating ball peen hammer blows to the head and shots of 151 could be used to even out the high IQ players.
What do people think?

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FYP

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i feel leveled...OP can't be serious

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I believe that drug testing should be instituted to not only clean up the game but to level the playing field. If i'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are using speed and coke to stay alert? It's like using steroids in Football and those players should be banned.

What do people think?

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So if doing coke is advantageous and should be banned for making you too alert. I think you should get more starting chips if you like to smoke weed because that makes you less alert. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I believe that drug testing should be instituted to not only clean up the game but to level the playing field. If i'm playing in a large field 3+day tournament, is it fair that I should be playing against players who are using speed and coke to stay alert? It's like using steroids in Football and those players should be banned.

What do people think?

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I think its not even possible to accomplish this task

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who are using speed and coke to stay alert?

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I don't know where you get your information i've never used drugs drugs are bad it makes you think crazy i know im not crazy and i play poker all the time i remember when i started it was a fun game then it became addicting but i kept playing now it is back to being fun i remember when i first started i was playing tournaments then i switched to sit n gos that was about the time i broke up with my girlfriend she was a real cutie good in bed too but she didnt like me talking about that all the time maybe thats why we broke up i think it has something to do with when i was young my parents were divorced when i was young and it was really wierd seeing my mom date and stuff anyway my mom and dad didnt get along really well but i had a stepbrother who lived in north carolina they lived in the blue ridge mountains it was really really pretty there i liked to go hiking in the mountains i met my first girlfriend there and had my first kiss we used to go running in the rain that was a long time ago god i miss those days....

what was the subject again??????

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I guess it didn't get banned.

Anyway, using cocaine or speed would increase your mental alertness during marathon sessions. It's a performance enhancing drug, for poker, and I don't believe it should be allowed. It definitely gives somebody a mental edge.

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I don't think you have ever played poker high on coke. Everyone but the player on coke has the edge, trust me on this.

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I've actually got some good results when i've been coked up.
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The OP is absolutely correct!

Most people would say that the best poker of alltime is Stu Unger and he was a cokehead. Coincidence? I think not.

If poker is going to be taken seriously as a competitive sport it is integral that we have a governing body make sure that people aren't taking coke or shooting heroin during the games.

Do not even get me started on Mariuana either. I have heard rumors that a lot of these online pros smoke weed during their sessions and they are all amazing players.

Drugs give people an unfair advantage and we need to eradicate our game before people start thinking that poker players are just a bunch of degenerates.

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wsop drug testing

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Do not even get me started on Mariuana either. I have heard rumors that a lot of these online pros smoke weed during their sessions and they are all amazing players.

I disagree that these players will have a strong win rate over the long haul.

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somethin tells me OP has never tried any of these drugs he is worried about.

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I think crack is bad for you

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The OP is absolutely correct!

Most people would say that the best poker of alltime is Stu Unger and he was a cokehead. Coincidence? I think

If poker is going to be taken seriously as a competitive sport it is integral that we have a governing body make sure that people aren't taking coke or shooting heroin during the games.

Do not even get me started on Mariuana either. I have heard rumors that a lot of these online pros smoke weed during their sessions and they are all amazing players.

Drugs give people an unfair advantage and we need to eradicate our game before people start thinking that poker players are just a bunch of degenerates.

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I think your totally wrong. Stu might have done coke but not when he was playing poker. Coke is too edgy and requires to much coke to sucessfully use it to play poker. I think some of the add drugs might be better

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Mike & f0xwood : i think you guys got leveled

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somethin tells me OP has never tried any of these drugs he is worried about.

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The OP is absolutely correct!

Most people would say that the best poker of alltime is Stu Unger and he was a cokehead. Coincidence? I think

If poker is going to be taken seriously as a competitive sport it is integral that we have a governing body make sure that people aren't taking coke or shooting heroin during the games.

Do not even get me started on Mariuana either. I have heard rumors that a lot of these online pros smoke weed during their sessions and they are all amazing players.

Drugs give people an unfair advantage and we need to eradicate our game before people start thinking that poker players are just a bunch of degenerates.

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I think your totally wrong. Stu might have done coke but not when he was playing poker. Coke is too edgy and requires to much coke to sucessfully use it to play poker. I think some of the add drugs might be better

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Ungar, and alot of other pros, used coke to fuel their marathon sessions back in the day. Stuey just liked it so much that he let it take over his life.

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Lol @ everybody bashing OP
Granted this has been discussed before and OP didnt bring up anything new, but that doesnt make any of your lame and naive arguements any better.

I know that if I made a big FT and for some reason was totally beat physically I would probably do a little line of speed if possible.

Those who say that drugs would make you play better must be leveling, but I also think some posters in this thread overestimates the impact a small amount of coke/speed has on the mind while it has large impact on the physic state..

I have played sessions of solid poker while being on speed/coke and if I hadnt been under the influence I would have been at sleep..

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If poker is going to be taken seriously as a competitive sport it is integral that we have a governing body make sure that people aren't taking coke or shooting heroin during the games.

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side note: lol, at competitive "sport" - legitimate competition would have been better

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Drugs give people an unfair advantage and we need to eradicate our game before people start thinking that poker players are just a bunch of degenerates.

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People who are going to think of poker players as degenerate are pretty much going to do so with or without drugs.

I think that it would not be feasible to test players, especially since many drugs they might use could be legal in certain situations (i.e. ritalin, beta blockers, etc.) How would you choose which drugs to test for?

I think there are probably just as many (if not more) instances where drugs are harmful to the player as there are where they are helpful, so it probably all evens out anyway.

Plus, the casinos wouldn't want to spend the money or reduce their profits by limiting the entries to sober/clean people.

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Don't forget to add psychadelics to the list of banned drugs.

I was played heads up with a buddy of mine, who was shrooming, and he was able to concentrate, let his psyche drift upward from his body, and look over my should to see my hole cards. Fortunately I had done a ton of coke, so I was able to overcome the disadvantage.

I am fairly certain Phil Ivey went to a special school in the Himalayas for something akin to this mind-body projection ability.

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the use of aderal and ritalin-like drugs is actually a pretty significant point. i know guys that take the drug before poker sessions and it helps them stay alert at the table for longer. they also use it to study for school.

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I played poker on coke before.
I made this huge bluff, the guy was thinking for about 5 minutes, my heart almost jumped out of my throat, it was beating so fast.
If he would of taken another minute before folding, I would of just told him, I was bluffing to end this torture.

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i would recomend mixing something like adderal and xanax. stay alert but keep calm and cool emotionless.

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Do not even get me started on Mariuana either. I have heard rumors that a lot of these online pros smoke weed during their sessions and they are all amazing players.



I disagree that these players will have a strong win rate over the long haul.

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I would much rather everyone at my table be f'ed up on whatever substance they choose then sit there sipping water and contemplating every move.

However, those of you who think that pot, coke, etc... enhance your play are either very weak to begin with or living a lie. Some drugs may make keep you up longer and may even make you focus better but is the game really that complex that you are not going to make similar moves sober?

This is such a non-issue.