$1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

Villain in the hand is aggressive and decent... a winning 5/10nl cash game player from the conversations we had at the table, fwiw. My image should be fairly aggressive but I have never been caught getting out of line and for the most part have been playing fairly straightforward.
I have about 10,000 in chips, he probably has 25k or so, blinds are 200/400 with 50 antes.

Folded to me in the SB and I look down at A,7o and complete, he checks, HU to the flop (1,000).

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet 600, he calls quickly.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2,200)
I bet 2,000, he looks over and asks "How much? 2000? Okay." and quickly calls.

River: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check, he bets out 4,000. wtf?

Kirk

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

I really like how you played this hand.

On the river I think I fold but its very close. I think this particular villain would probably raise a lot of draws earlier so I don't think he's bluffing that often here. He is also probably capable of vbetting thin so Jx and 78 are definetely in his range. Not to mention he could definetely float the flop with clubs.

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

I'd usually raise PF with these stack sizes. Whenever opening allin is unexploitable, I usually try to find a reason to raise at least something.

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

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I'd usually raise PF with these stack sizes. Whenever opening allin is unexploitable, I usually try to find a reason to raise at least something.

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i agree, gotta raise it pre, but is it opening all in really not exploitable?

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

Curtains,
Raising pf here is incredibly exploitable.

edit: I'm not saying its bad. But against a tricky BB he can make your life very difficult if you raise pf here.

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

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I'd usually raise PF with these stack sizes. Whenever opening allin is unexploitable, I usually try to find a reason to raise at least something.

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i agree, gotta raise it pre, but is it opening all in really not exploitable?

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Yes you can turn your hand face up and its definitely +EV.

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I'd usually raise PF with these stack sizes. Whenever opening allin is unexploitable, I usually try to find a reason to raise at least something.

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i agree, gotta raise it pre, but is it opening all in really not exploitable?

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Yes you can turn your hand face up and its definitely +EV.

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Umm... turning our hand face up, ie letting our opponent put us on a precise range, is +EV?? Think about that for a few seconds, please.

Raising pre was an option, of course, and a lot of times I do, but not versus that particular Villain - he's calling a large percentage of the time and playing back on a lot of flops if the pot is raised, which isn't good since a) I will have absolutely nothing the majority of the time and b)he's got enough chips to screw around while I don't. Automatically raising A,7o from the SB is definitely hugely exploitable by anyone with half a brain, and no it's not +EV.

Does anyone have a call/fold opinion wrt river?

Kirk

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I'd usually raise PF with these stack sizes. Whenever opening allin is unexploitable, I usually try to find a reason to raise at least something.

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i agree, gotta raise it pre, but is it opening all in really not exploitable?

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Yes you can turn your hand face up and its definitely +EV.

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Umm... turning our hand face up, ie letting our opponent put us on a precise range, is +EV?? Think about that for a few seconds, please.

Raising pre was an option, of course, and a lot of times I do, but not versus that particular Villain - he's calling a large percentage of the time and playing back on a lot of flops if the pot is raised, which isn't good since a) I will have absolutely nothing the majority of the time and b)he's got enough chips to screw around while I don't. Automatically raising A,7o from the SB is definitely hugely exploitable by anyone with half a brain, and no it's not +EV.

Does anyone have a call/fold opinion wrt river?

Kirk

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what are you talking about? Everything I said was exactly correct. Maybe moving allin preflop isn't the most +EV play, but it's clearly very +EV, by quite a sizeable amount too. Should be worth a minimum of about .5-1 BB's. depending on their calling range.

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

Karlson-Sklansky Rankings - Unexploitable shoving fun.

Re: $1,500 6-max, middle pair no good?
 

10700 in pot. he has to call 9600. he needs 47.2906% equity.

Seeing your cards he can call 22+,A7o+,A7s+,QTs,QJs,JTs,9Ts which he will get 15.5% of time.

Our equity versus this range is 34.597%

(.845 * 700 + .155 * .34597 * 10700) - (.155 * .65403 * 10000) =+151.45 = +ev

that last 10000 might be 9800 im not sure. in that case itd be +171.82

edit: the whole thing could be wrong i dunno lol