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Has anybody read this book by John Vorhaus yet? There's only one so-so review on amazon, so I'd like to get some more info.

And please add WHY you liked it. Stuff like "all Killer Poker books suck" doesn't really help me much. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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There are a few pages of it on JV's page
i haven't received it yet
www.vorza.com/killer_poker_shorthanded.html

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Thanks for the link! Looks like you aren't the only one who hasn't received it yet... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Has anybody read this book by John Vorhaus yet? There's only one so-so review on amazon, so I'd like to get some more info.

And please add WHY you liked it. Stuff like "all Killer Poker books suck" doesn't really help me much. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I have this book on my shelf and will get around to reading it sometime. Probably around the same time that Daniel Negreanu gets done with his Power Hold'Em book.

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I have this book on my shelf and will get around to reading it sometime. Probably around the same time that Daniel Negreanu gets done with his Power Hold'Em book

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I've heard they pushed Negreanu's book back, then forward, then back, then more back, then forward, then way back and some more back, then back, slightly forward and now back again. It should hit the shelves in time for Xmas 2023 (unless it's pushed forward or back, but that probably won't happen).

I kinda like the killer poker books. They're a nice change from 2+2's outrageously boring style, and I admit I flat out enjoy Vorhaus' writing. That being said, pick up a few nuggets on the mental side of things, because actual poker strategy should be studied in the 2+2 or DB tomes. As Vorhaus states in Killer Poker No Limit: "I understand Sklansky about as well as Sanskrit" (or something to that effect) - and it shows. Taken for what they are, guides to develop the right mind set, I think they're good. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Cheers,

Smurf

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His books get better each time. This book is a great book because it explains SH strategy without the 2+2 pedantics.

JV explains how to play SH cash games, six player types and how to play each of them in various positions, various MTT and STT SH scenarios, and HU scenarios.

There is a quiz at the end of each chapter. The answers serve as a chapter review.

There is no fill-in-the-blank questions or journals to write like he has in some earlier books.

His writing style is down-to-earth and funny. One quote is a good example "Poker is like hash brownies. You get out what you put in".

You will learn a great deal about SH play from the book. You will also read some things you know, but that will be a good review. You will also see some tricks in the book that you (like me) have figured out from experience, and seeing it in the book is a good validation of those tricks.

I highly recommend KP SH.

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I just bought Killer Poker Shorthanded over the weekend while I was under mandatory evacuation because of the So. Cal. fires.

I'm on p. 140 out of 279.

It is the only book I've found that specifically addresses short handed cash games in general, and 6-max play in particular.

So far, I've learned a lot. I'm glad I bought it.

I'll tell you more when I finish it in a few days now that I'm back at home (and safe).

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Sorry to hear about your circumstances, Albert. Hope everything works out for you and your poker takes off so that you get some positives out of a bad situation.

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His books get better each time. This book is a great book because it explains SH strategy without the 2+2 pedantics.

JV explains how to play SH cash games, six player types and how to play each of them in various positions, various MTT and STT SH scenarios, and HU scenarios.

There is a quiz at the end of each chapter. The answers serve as a chapter review.

There is no fill-in-the-blank questions or journals to write like he has in some earlier books.

His writing style is down-to-earth and funny. One quote is a good example "Poker is like hash brownies . You get out what you put in".

You will learn a great deal about SH play from the book. You will also read some things you know, but that will be a good review. You will also see some tricks in the book that you (like me) have figured out from experience, and seeing it in the book is a good validation of those tricks.

I highly recommend KP SH.

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I have heard of hash browns (and eaten them) and I have heard of hashish brownies (although never had any), but never hash brownies.

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but never hash brownies

[/ QUOTE ]It's a very common term. Especially in other countries. Google for it and you'll see plenty of references.

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but never hash brownies

[/ QUOTE ]It's a very common term. Especially in other countries. Google for it and you'll see plenty of references.

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And have the police knocking at my door simply because I looked at something online? No thank you. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I just finished.

1) It's the best book on short-handed NLHE cash games that I've read, mostly because it's the only book on short-handed NLHE cash games that I've read. HoH "Endgame" has some information about final table tournament play, but this book is the first that closely examines 6-max and shorter NLHE cash games. And it does a very good job.

2) The book does a great job of defining and explaining the fundamental concepts regarding short-handed hold 'em, namely that 2/3s of the time no one will hit a flop, and that the key to success is aggression based on analyzing the betting patterns and deception trends in others in light of how they might interpret yours.

3) The book could be a lot shorter if it didn't use a conversational style. Much of the book is humorous filler, and the foul language wasn't to my taste. But I suspect that the authors are funny guys with a colorful vocabulary, and the book reads as if they were giving a lecture and telling a story rather than a textbook.

4) I didn't care much for the section on short handed limit hold 'em, but it helped a little in understanding short-handed NLHE by understanding how short-handed LH is different. So, I guess it helped a little.

I would highly recommend the book for anybody who is pretty good at full ring, but feels a little out of place at a 6-max table.

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I just finished.

1) It's the best book on short-handed NLHE cash games that I've read, mostly because it's the only book on short-handed NLHE cash games that I've read. HoH "Endgame" has some information about final table tournament play, but this book is the first that closely examines 6-max and shorter NLHE cash games. And it does a very good job.

2) The book does a great job of defining and explaining the fundamental concepts regarding short-handed hold 'em, namely that 2/3s of the time no one will hit a flop, and that the key to success is aggression based on analyzing the betting patterns and deception trends in others in light of how they might interpret yours.

3) The book could be a lot shorter if it didn't use a conversational style. Much of the book is humorous filler, and the foul language wasn't to my taste. But I suspect that the authors are funny guys with a colorful vocabulary, and the book reads as if they were giving a lecture and telling a story rather than a textbook.

4) I didn't care much for the section on short handed limit hold 'em, but it helped a little in understanding short-handed NLHE by understanding how short-handed LH is different. So, I guess it helped a little.

I would highly recommend the book for anybody who is pretty good at full ring, but feels a little out of place at a 6-max table.

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Bump.

Nobody else has read this book and has any reviews to share? I can't believe this thread is all there is in the way of reviews of the first book devoted to 6-max cash games to hit the book store shelves.

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I've just ordered this book and hopefully it should arrive in the next few days or so. I'll try to remember to post here when I'm done reading it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I just finished.

1) It's the best book on short-handed NLHE cash games that I've read, mostly because it's the only book on short-handed NLHE cash games that I've read. HoH "Endgame" has some information about final table tournament play, but this book is the first that closely examines 6-max and shorter NLHE cash games. And it does a very good job.

2) The book does a great job of defining and explaining the fundamental concepts regarding short-handed hold 'em, namely that 2/3s of the time no one will hit a flop, and that the key to success is aggression based on analyzing the betting patterns and deception trends in others in light of how they might interpret yours.

3) The book could be a lot shorter if it didn't use a conversational style. Much of the book is humorous filler, and the foul language wasn't to my taste. But I suspect that the authors are funny guys with a colorful vocabulary, and the book reads as if they were giving a lecture and telling a story rather than a textbook.

4) I didn't care much for the section on short handed limit hold 'em, but it helped a little in understanding short-handed NLHE by understanding how short-handed LH is different. So, I guess it helped a little.

I would highly recommend the book for anybody who is pretty good at full ring, but feels a little out of place at a 6-max table.

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Thanks for the review. This book is now on my xmas list. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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So it is just about No Limit?

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So it is just about No Limit?

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It is primarily about no limit, but there is a small section on limit. The limit section is mostly to illustrate some short handed principles in order to compare and contrast the application of those principles between limit and no limit.

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Thanks for the review, Albert.

Prompted me to order it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]