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How goes play two days into the state-wide smoking ban at Canterbury?

I'm a non-smoker, but I'm wondering if there is more walking (or at least for longer times) and if its affecting the games? I'm on travel for work so I might not make it there for a couple of weeks.

I won't miss the held lungful of smoke release at the table, but I don't want the games to suck either.

Maybe the servers can sell patches.

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I've noticed a few more third man walking situations. You don't get the second hand table toke but waiting at valet has the potential for becoming ridiculous.
Get away from the door for god's sake.

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I've noticed a few more third man walking situations. You don't get the second hand table toke but waiting at valet has the potential for becoming ridiculous.
Get away from the door for god's sake.

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didnt even think of that... its gonna be brutal out there, they will probably make some changes.

looking forward to coming back in a couple weeks

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It doesn't look like it's really affecting much except for the smokers being pissed. Especially in these more rural counties everyone hates being told what they can and cannot do by Saint Paul.

I'm personally livid about this and it will probably cause me to play more online this winter.

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I was playing as the ban went into effect, and I very much savored the moment. Even with the glass in place, the tables closest to the bar area were smoky.

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Addicts now have to go outside to smoke, which means braving Minnesota winters to feed the flames of their addiction. I will personally rejoice a little bit every time I see some addict leave the nice (semi) warm cardroom to smoke outside in the snow.

Perhaps the continued pressure will assist people in deciding that smoking is a bad idea.

And before you smokers start bitching about how your rights are being trampled on, understand that I have to pay more in insurance premiums in order to pay for your smoking-related illnesses (not to mention the additional millions spent on asthma treatment in hospital ERs for children of parents to [censored] stupid to consider how their smoking is making their kids sick), so I don't give a rat [censored] about your rights. It's not just about your "personal choice," what you do affects others.
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As to the impact on the games, there will be more 7 and 8 handed games as the smokers will not be able to run to the bar, take a few puffs, then run back to the table. Also, fine with me.

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I live in California. It's so cute watching other cities try smoking bans. Trust me, it's better this way. Even the smokers by and large prefer it.

...I grew up in Ohio, and I enjoyed going out to the snow to smoke, especially late at night.

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...I grew up in Missouri, and I enjoyed going out to the snow to smoke, especially late at night.

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Some of my favorite times.

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When did the rake hike go into effect?? I was there recently and didnt notice. That is ridiculous the games are unbeatable at the low limits as it is now an extra buck is taken. I guess I'm going to have to boycott the place for a while since I primarily play 3/6 and some 4/8. Treasure Island you got my business for a while.

EDIT: Brag: I can smoke there.

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When did the rake hike go into effect??

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couple weeks ago

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When did the rake hike go into effect?? I was there recently and didnt notice. That is ridiculous the games are unbeatable at the low limits as it is now an extra buck is taken. I guess I'm going to have to boycott the place for a while since I primarily play 3/6 and some 4/8. Treasure Island you got my business for a while.

EDIT: Brag: I can smoke there.

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Yeah I think the smoking ban and rake increase might hurt Canterbury's business a bit. I was at Treasure Island last Friday and the waiting lists were very long.
Does anyone know if they have increased the rake down there at Treasure Island at all?

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It may slightly affect their casino games' traffic as Mystake still allows smoking.

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And before you smokers start bitching about how your rights are being trampled on, understand that I have to pay more in insurance premiums in order to pay for your smoking-related illnesses (not to mention the additional millions spent on asthma treatment in hospital ERs for children of parents to [censored] stupid to consider how their smoking is making their kids sick), so I don't give a rat [censored] about your rights. It's not just about your "personal choice," what you do affects others.
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???? This has NOTHING to do with OP's Question but.

From playing in WA everyday smoking bans suck.

Now I smoke but if smoking was allowed somewhere inside the casino then I would not be away from the table as long.

But it is hurting the games.

Every single day the 3rd man walking rule is enforced because 4 ppl are outside smoking (yes me too but I only go when everyone is back)

The problem with the 3rd man walking is since there is a poker room on every other block most of the rooms do not have the player base to enforce the rule.

If there is no one on the list to play then the 3rd man walking rule sucks.

The good thing is after 4 ppl get up to leave for their smokes the room drops down to a single big blind. Not much comfort but it's something.

If your room has a big player base I don't see the ban hurting that much. But if it's in a place like lakewood and there is no one on the waiting list then it hurts.

Like I said at least I have the courtesy to wait untill almost everyone is at the table before I leave. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah I think the smoking ban and rake increase might hurt Canterbury's business a bit. I was at Treasure Island last Friday and the waiting lists were very long.
Does anyone know if they have increased the rake down there at Treasure Island at all?

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TI is still max $4 rake. The 2/10 has been pretty juicy lately and I've seen the 4/20 going pretty consistently on the weekends. How good is that game?

Now if only they had shufflemasters in their card room. It's not like they can't afford to lease them. Some dealers there are pretty sloppy at shuffling the plastic cards.

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The good thing is after 4 ppl get up to leave for their smokes the room drops down to a single big blind. Not much comfort but it's something.


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Did you mean the rake is reduced? It sounds like you are saying the blind structure changes short handed.

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Smoking bans are a good thing. People will adjust. Change is scary, I know, but in the end everyone will be happier for it.

I'm an ex-smoker, but I can't even go into Casino San Pablo any more (too bad, cuz I'd like to work there). I get sick every time, because they have smoking in the building (not even in the poker room).

Good health is good for poker. Kill yourself if you want to, but don't force me to breathe it in or make my clothes and hair all nasty.

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Apologies for no smoking content...

At some WA state rooms, the rake is only $2 with 6 or fewer players at the table; in others, there is only a big blind and no small blind.

The random drunk players, incidentally, get a lot more excited about no small blind than about the rake reduction.

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It wasn't until I quit smoking a couple of years ago that I really came to appreciate how disgusting and obnoxious a habit it really is. And I was one of the few who usually went outside to smoke and didn't litter my cigarette butts like a lot of people do.

All the AC poker rooms are smoke free now, and even most of the pit games (75%) are as well. The NJ sban prohibits it in indoor public places elsewhere, and people are still going to the restaurants and bars just like they always did.

As far as the whole "smoker's rights" thing, yeah, that's pretty much a joke.

All of that aside, I can't say that it's hurt the poker games one bit here at all. Bally's was the last poker room to have smoking, and that hasn't changed a bit (still mostly sucks).

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That is ridiculous the games are unbeatable at the low limits as it is now
EDIT: Brag: I can smoke there.

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If you played better you might have a chance [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
I'll be heading down to TI once the Classic gets going.
Maybe I'll run into you and ACG2x.

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Yeah I think the smoking ban and rake increase might hurt Canterbury's business a bit. I was at Treasure Island last Friday and the waiting lists were very long.
Does anyone know if they have increased the rake down there at Treasure Island at all?

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TI is still max $4 rake. The 2/10 has been pretty juicy lately and I've seen the 4/20 going pretty consistently on the weekends. How good is that game?

Now if only they had shufflemasters in their card room. It's not like they can't afford to lease them. Some dealers there are pretty sloppy at shuffling the plastic cards.

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Very interesting
I think TI and the Grand Casinos are going to see a bussiness increase in the next few months.
I love the TI 2/10 game even though I'm on a cold streak out there.

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I don't post here very often but I had to chime in on this subject. There is nothing wrong with a room going non-smoking, but why have the government mandate it. Card rooms should be pissed about this. One, it takes away their right to run their business as they see fit. Two, if there is such a public demand for non-smoking rooms some manager will pick up on it and make his room non-smoking. By passing the smoking ban the government has essentially taken away a rooms ability to capture a certain market segment.

As for non-smoker who get sick around smoke, don't go to smoking rooms. If there are enough of you who fill the same, then a room will open that caters to your preferences. Yeah Free Market.

Sorry for the rant.

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I'm fairly anti-government, but this is a public health issue. I feel the government is well within its right to tell a minority of the population that they can't go around giving cancer and heart disease to anybody who happens to be in a public place when they want to feed their drug addiction. Besides, these things are voted upon somewhere. They're not executive orders.

I also wouldn't be upset if someone made a law prohibiting heroin addicts from sticking me with needles.

Really, all of you with the various anti-ban arguments and talking about free market, etc... look at all the areas who did this decades ago. Been there. It's better with a ban, it really is.

Just think of it this way... as a customer you have freedom and a choice to go somewhere else. As an employee, not so much. "Oh, get another job!" Uh, yeah, sure, but if almost everywhere has smoking because they're afraid to annoy some nic-fitting addicts, where do these people go? Uproot and move somewhere else? What kind of productive effect will that have?

Bans are good. Embrace them. EVERYTHING smells better.

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I agree, ban all those whiney non-smokers from the poker room, problem solved. As far as your 2nd hand smoke comment that is truly laughable.

Why not ban people who smell bad too? Or (insert your least favorite non-English speaking people) who want to tell bad beat stories in broken English, that does drive me crazy too and is bad for my mental health. Do we also ban people from eating unhealthy food at the tables? Let's not forget banning those that fail to wash their hands after using the bathroom.

Less government intervention is better, your best solution is sticking to the internet. Oh wait, the government is trying to find a way to ban that too aren't they?


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Why not ban people who smell bad too?

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Sometimes they do.

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Or (insert your least favorite non-English speaking people) who want to tell bad beat stories in broken English, that does drive me crazy too and is bad for my mental health.

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Earplugs.

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Do we also ban people from eating unhealthy food at the tables?

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That's their own choice and little impact on my immediate health or laundry bills.

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Let's not forget banning those that fail to wash their hands after using the bathroom.

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Really, people should wash their hands before they use the bathroom, considering they've been handling chips, cards, and money all day.

I really don't see how any of your strawmen have anything to do with the topic at hand. I also don't whine about smokers. I play in home games with them because I choose to. I also went to a casino this weekend that allows smoking. I would not, however, ever work in one. I am lucky to live in area that realizes how ridiculous it is to give special privledge to addicts in such a way that negatively and immediately affects everybody else, but in a service economy, forcing service personnel to suffer smoke 8-12 hours a day is rude at best.

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Why not ban people who smell bad too?

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Sometimes they do.

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Or (insert your least favorite non-English speaking people) who want to tell bad beat stories in broken English, that does drive me crazy too and is bad for my mental health.

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Earplugs.

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Do we also ban people from eating unhealthy food at the tables?

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That's their own choice and little impact on my immediate health or laundry bills.

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Let's not forget banning those that fail to wash their hands after using the bathroom.

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Really, people should wash their hands before they use the bathroom, considering they've been handling chips, cards, and money all day.

I really don't see how any of your strawmen have anything to do with the topic at hand. I also don't whine about smokers. I play in home games with them because I choose to. I also went to a casino this weekend that allows smoking. I would not, however, ever work in one. I am lucky to live in area that realizes how ridiculous it is to give special privledge to addicts in such a way that negatively and immediately affects everybody else, but in a service economy, forcing service personnel to suffer smoke 8-12 hours a day is rude at best.

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First of all you need to look up the definition of a straw man arguement. Next if your solution to save my mental health is earplugs then my soultion would be an oxygen mask for the non-smokers.

Since I've played B&M poker longer than you have been alive and never seen or heard of any poker player ever being banned because he smelled bad I'm confident my experience trumps your anecdote.

Please explain further how smoking is more dangerous to you than me pissing on my hands then handing you already dirty poker chips. Every 2nd hand smoke theory is dangerous for you has been either debunked or had inherent flaws in its' control situation in the first place. Granted smoke can be annoying even to other smokers but stating it is more dangerous to you than my personal waste products being transferred to your person is over the top.

Jimbo

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I'm sorry that my asthma offends you. I'm sorry that my desire not to smell like an ashtray also offends you.

I've seen the list of people banned or otherwise notated in my cardroom. One of them is to be told to bathe before coming in. I don't know what else to tell you on that one.

This whole smoking ban thing has been done over and over for the past twenty years. Even the smokers like it. It's just so silly watching addicts fume. Oh well, at least I can outrun you, even with my asthma.

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Please explain further how smoking is more dangerous to you than me pissing on my hands then handing you already dirty poker chips. Every 2nd hand smoke theory is dangerous for you has been either debunked or had inherent flaws in its' control situation in the first place. Granted smoke can be annoying even to other smokers but stating it is more dangerous to you than my personal waste products being transferred to your person is over the top.

Jimbo

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Urine is sterile. You should wipe your ass with your cards before you fold them.

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I'm sorry that my asthma offends you. I'm sorry that my desire not to smell like an ashtray also offends you.

I've seen the list of people banned or otherwise notated in my cardroom. One of them is to be told to bathe before coming in. I don't know what else to tell you on that one.

This whole smoking ban thing has been done over and over for the past twenty years. Even the smokers like it. It's just so silly watching addicts fume. Oh well, at least I can outrun you, even with my asthma.

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Hidden B&M no-smoking benefit: more people going outside to smoke = more time playing shorthanded.

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I just wanted to chime in and say I ALWAYS wash my hands -before- using the bathroom. Those chips are so disgusting...