nl400 AA hyachyachhyachhyachahchachahchach
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $988.00
BB: $627.00
UTG: $642.00
Hero (CO): $736.00
BTN: $600.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Ahttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, BTN calls $24.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($57) Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 3http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $44.00</font>, BTN calls $44.00

Turn: ($145) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $117.00</font>, BTN calls $117.00

River: ($379) 7http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $235.00</font>, Hero calls $235.00


villian is LanderD (18/17) on stars

idk what im doing at 3/6, i was pretty out of it when this hand occurred.
i should have an aggressive image, but LandarD is probably too dense to realize this.

i like my turn bet, if i'm going to fold the river, which in hindsight looks like a clear fold.



so what is best against this poker ace?
check turn, call river ?
check turn, bet this river ?
as we already know, bet turn and check fold this river.

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thats a real bad river call

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thats a real bad river call

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check.

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b/f or c/f

not c/c. never ever ever

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Is there a reason why check/calling is bad? What about the turn, anybody check that?

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Is there a reason why check/calling is bad? What about the turn, anybody check that?

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what on earth will bet that you beat

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Because he is not value betting worse hands?

I bet turn because he can have fd/straightdraws and Kx

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JT, AK?

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Is the turn a bet/fold or a bet/call?

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all you beat is J10

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all you beat is J10

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fwiw, (not arguing for my river call) i could see LandarD playing AK, KT+, and stuff like this

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Is the turn a bet/fold or a bet/call?

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all you beat is J10

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fwiw, (not arguing for my river call) i could see LandarD playing AK, KT+, and stuff like this

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so hes betting K10+ looking to get value out of what?
I can't see him playing a king like this.

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I think we are bet/folding the turn b/c there is no way in hell we are coming along if he raises... once he calls we are most def c/f the river b/c I really doubt he is vbetting any type of King here

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Is there a reason why check/calling is bad? What about the turn, anybody check that?

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what on earth will bet that you beat

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JT

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Shove river

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Shove river

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That is interesting. Please explain why you do it? Do you really expect him to call w/ worse here?

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Might this guy turn KT or KJ into a bluff on the river?

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Might this guy turn KT or KJ into a bluff on the river?

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no, if hes betting these hands on the river, its for value

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I like b/f turn c/f river

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Might this guy turn KT or KJ into a bluff on the river?

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no, if hes betting these hands on the river, its for value

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in other words what you're saying is you don't think he's betting these hands at all.

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i agree with isura, shove river.

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b/f or c/f

not c/c. never ever ever

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all you beat is J10

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fwiw, (not arguing for my river call) i could see LandarD playing AK, KT+, and stuff like this

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so hes betting K10+ looking to get value out of what?
I can't see him playing a king like this.

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the point is that he's capable of that

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Shove river

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elaborate ?

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played fine but i dont pay the river off

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all you beat is J10

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fwiw, (not arguing for my river call) i could see LandarD playing AK, KT+, and stuff like this

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so hes betting K10+ looking to get value out of what?
I can't see him playing a king like this.

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the point is that he's capable of that

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that doesn't make sense imo, whether hes capable of it or not, if hes a decent player hes not going to be valuebetting these types of hands very often

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If LanderD can show up with AK or JT on this river he must be [censored] terrible.

I would expect any decent TAG to fold JT on the turn. I guess AK might bet the river but I don't think he has it enough.

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clear fold

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I think he had 33, but you just don`t beat enough hands to call this river bet. Fold

Think you played the hand fine till the river

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the only hands he can have here are ATc AJc KJc and KTc.

Edit: leaning very strongly toward Kxc

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I would expect any decent TAG to fold JT on the turn. I guess AK might bet the river but I don't think he has it enough.

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You don't think raising turn with JT is a viable play as well?

Flat-calling with JT on turn seems bad to me also.

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I would expect any decent TAG to fold JT on the turn. I guess AK might bet the river but I don't think he has it enough.

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You don't think raising turn with JT is a viable play as well?

Flat-calling with JT on turn seems bad to me also.

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Raising is def a viable play. I usually fold, never call, and sometimes raise.

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Is there a reason why check/calling is bad? What about the turn, anybody check that?

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what on earth will bet that you beat

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I agree - but why is b/f any better on this bd.