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live 20 UTG, game is playing kind of small with a $2K max BI, BB starts w/ $2000, I have the same, MP covers.

BB has been playing tight and plays well, usually bets pot anytime he bets, and MP plays aggressively and is solid, a tough spot for me as he's on my immediate left, however we're friendly and there's a mutual vibe between us where we probably wont play a big pot. I'm even in the game and both players respect my play.

I open to $70 from UTG+2 w/ AA, MP calls, BB calls.

Flop

9-9-5 rb

BB checks, I bet $180, both players call.

Turn
6 (makes a club draw possible)

BB leads out for $300. He hasn't gotten out of line, but I often will see a PP take this line b/c they put me on AK etc.

I muck, largely b/c there's a player behind me. Anyone disagree?


That hand sets up the next hand a few orbits later;

Again there's $20 UTG, and again I open to $70 w/ QQ.

BB is the same as earlier, and he calls. Stacks are $2500. He called with a bit of hesitation. Straddle calls as well.


Flop

J-2-3 w/ a heart draw

check, check, I bet $220, BB thinks, then calls, straddle folds.

Turn

6, offsuit, he leads for $500-

What's your action here? And plz give a line assuming he a) didn't show you a hand in the previous hand, b) showed a hand < AA in the previous hand.


thanks,



-Tex


edited: BB leads for $300 in the first hand.

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hand 1 is mega tilting me dude wtf

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i mean u do realize there is like 700 in the pot and he bet 200

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i dont understand the first hand. Are you saying he bet 1/4th pot and u folded AA cause u smelled a boat?

a) probably call
b) snap call

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i mean u do realize there is like 700 in the pot and he bet 200

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he says that guy always pots it. he must mean the guy bet 700. i still dont understand the fold.

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hand 1 is mega tilting me dude wtf

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editing now.

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I like the fold in the first one. Seems like he is trying to induce a rr and u got away nicely. Also with the player behid who also flatted flop bet and the now draw heavy board I think it's a solid fold. Did you have the Ac btw?

In the second one would you consider flat calling the 500 and flat callling any river bet he makes on pretty much any card other than another J? Hoping to get value from AJ or worse? To me it looks like u may be a little steamed(particularly if you showed the AA) and are now possibly badly playing TT or 99 (betting more on flop than in the previous hand - I think this may indicte that you bet big hands smaller on flop hoping for more action and weak hands / draws bigger hoping to take it down there and then. NB: for those reasons I like the line you have taken with the QQ thus far) which could encourage the BB to float you on both f, t, and rvr. Or if not floating he may overvalue JTs+? Would you consider it reasonable to play sheriff and flat both turn and river bets?

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I like the fold in the first one. Seems like he is trying to induce a rr and u got away nicely. Also with the player behid who also flatted flop bet and the now draw heavy board I think it's a solid fold. Did you have the Ac btw?

In the second one would you consider flat calling the 500 and flat callling any river bet he makes on pretty much any card other than another J? Hoping to get value from AJ or worse? To me it looks like u may be a little steamed(particularly if you showed the AA) and are now possibly badly playing TT or 99 (betting more on flop than in the previous hand - I think this may indicte that you bet big hands smaller on flop hoping for more action and weak hands / draws bigger hoping to take it down there and then. NB: for those reasons I like the line you have taken with the QQ thus far) which could encourage the BB to float you on both f, t, and rvr. Or if not floating he may overvalue JTs+? Would you consider it reasonable to play sheriff and flat both turn and river bets?

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I didn't show the AA, but the dealer saw it and I enlightened the table that I folded AA.

I dont see the point in calling here on the turn that shallow w/ a player behind me, but I'd like to hear someone give an arguement for calling/raising/whatever.


Hand 2, I had him pegged on AJ or KJ as a big part of his range, as it turned out I flatted his turn bet and he checked the 8h on the river....valuetown time....? I decided to bet $500 b/c he'd never play a flush draw this way imo.


-Tex

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Hand 2: I like the QQ even more now that he knows u folded AA previously, and I like the turn flat call. Would you consider quickly and weakly overshoving the river representing a desperate attempt to take the pot down with an unimproved steamed up AK? It would be such a strange bet that he may think u have the flush or u have nothing, e.g. AK, forgeting about the marginal hands that beat him. If he is not the type to make such a hero call then betting 800 or so is fine imo, though I think I would shove and try to induce a call with body language. Def don't let him know you had QQ here if he does fold.

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I dont see the point in calling here on the turn that shallow w/ a player behind me, but I'd like to hear someone give an arguement for calling/raising/whatever.

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if you have a read that he's trying to induce a raise that's one thing, but the fact you are reasonably shallow should make it easier to call, and the player behind you is not a big concern either. even if the BB usually pots it when he bets, his bet is consistent with a medium PP making a bit of a blocking bet, as a pot bet would be too big unless he were committed to the pot. after his bet there's >1k in the pot and you have to call just 300. though if MP calls here i probably do not call a riverbet from BB.

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I dont see the point in calling here on the turn that shallow w/ a player behind me, but I'd like to hear someone give an arguement for calling/raising/whatever.


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He leads for less than 1/2 pot and your hand is like always good.

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hand #1

BB's hand screams JJ. hard spot with the MP flatting in position.

hand #2

with a flushy flop, it seems like he would lead/cr if he had a set. his turn bet is really strong for those stack sizes. it seems like his range here would be AJhh, AJ, A5hh. 45s seems out of his range pre. 66, AA, or KK here would be nasty. on the turn, i would push over the top. i also would not mind a nitty call, with the intention of check/calling any nonheart nonace on the river.

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calling both seems standard

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call both

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im so used to hearing how u lags like value shoving with marginal hands and calling stacks off with bottom pairs. Then to hear someone talk about folding AA int he first hand. I think that hand needs more editing if you know what i mean.

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Call the first for sure
Second depends on what happened in the first hand but standard I'd call

Oh I see your other post, call both

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Tex,

"I didn't show the AA, but the dealer saw it and I enlightened the table that I folded AA."

Did I read this wrong or are you saying you mucked the hand but the dealer caught a glimpse of it and decided to flip it over to share it with the table? That can't be right, can it?

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calling both seems standard

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i dont understand the first hand. Are you saying he bet 1/4th pot and u folded AA cause u smelled a boat?

a) probably call
b) snap call

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c) raise

I like a smallish raise, I think he's got 6 outs a lot of the time there and I want to protect my hand.

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Tex,

"I didn't show the AA, but the dealer saw it and I enlightened the table that I folded AA."

Did I read this wrong or are you saying you mucked the hand but the dealer caught a glimpse of it and decided to flip it over to share it with the table? That can't be right, can it?

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I read it as the dealer saw and maybe shot him a funny look, so tex laughed and told the table. I can't see the dealer committing such an egregious faux pas.

If it's one thing i've learned from reading this forum, even if you feel 100% confident with your fold, never let the people know you're ready and willing to fold a big hand. (I think AA can marginally qualify as a 'big' hand in this situation)

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i wouldnt be at all surprised if dealer had flipped the cards. that would be about a 6 on the 1-10 scale of stupid things i've seen dealers do.

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Good call. And yea, that's bad but not nearly as bad as other things that I'm sure we've all seen. Like dealers talking about a hand in progress (and advising players what to do, etc.). Or counting the pot and calculating pot odds for a player. Or splitting pots incorrectly, allowing players to take bets back, etc. This is bad, but in the middle of hand stuff is way worse.