$10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

How'd I play this?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t400/t800
(Ante: t100)
7 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t32395
UTG+1: t21395
MP1: t37345
CO: t50338
Button: t25830
SB: t39912
Gyro: t13285

Pre-flop: (7 players) Gyro is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1900)</font>, 3 folds, SB calls t400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2700)</font>, Gyro checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t3100, 3 players)
SB checks, Gyro checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets t800</font>, SB folds, Gyro calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3900)</font>.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t4700, 2 players)
Gyro checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t4700, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Gyro bets t2000</font>, UTG+1 calls t2000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t6700)</font>.


Should I have just bet out?

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

im not a big fan of slow playing but i think you played this well and squeezed out the value in your monster.

If you lead this flop i think most players natural tendency is to believe you are protecting a 5 and thus will cause most to fold unless they have monster draw or also have a 5. given that you flopped such a strong hand i think you are hoping someone pits there straight or flush and stacks off or in this case hits their river A and at least pays you off for something.

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

Not sure you can do much better than the results of your line there. Only way to extract on the turn is likely if the villain had a J. I like this line although I would probably lead out turn.

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

bet the turn weak enough that he is priced in with a wide range and hope he hits the river...when you flop the nuts you need to immediately plan the hand mentally to determine how you can create a reasonable spot for a river push (assuming you're short)...I think if you get more in on the turn you can bet bigger on river...

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

Yeah, I certainly didn't plan this hand well. Sometimes I'm great at that, other times not so much. I had recently taken a bitter beat, so wasn't thinking straight. I'm not sure a turn bet would have worked, though, as certainly I should expect him to bet again. Then on the river it looks like a sort of bluff. I was really hoping he was on spades. Sadly, just a pair of sixes. So I'm glad some straight draws didn't come in...

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

I think I lead here for 1/2 pot, what hands limp in from this early that will fold to a bet on this flop at the $10 level? We are frequently getting called/raised w 2 overs or mid pairs etc, getting raised on our flop lead is the fastest way to ensure we get all our chips in the middle. I understand letting a card come off and re-evaluate the turn, possibly check non ace turn and bet river, but UTG+1 is rarely folding here and leading will only help disguise the strength of our hand.

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

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im not a big fan of slow playing but i think you played this well and squeezed out the value in your monster.

If you lead this flop i think most players natural tendency is to believe you are protecting a 5 and thus will cause most to fold unless they have monster draw or also have a 5. given that you flopped such a strong hand i think you are hoping someone pits there straight or flush and stacks off or in this case hits their river A and at least pays you off for something.

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I completely agree - leading will cost you money and you managed to milk this one for all it's worth. Fine as played.

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

I think you played it great.

Re: $10 - Shorty, Flop Nut in BB... line?
 

I like a turn lead, or a flop check/minraise (seriously). He may go crazy with a draw, or raise to "protect" with a middle pair, or get annoyed and bluff. Since you're kindasorta deep, you want to do something other than just get a bet or two in.

The way you played it is the surest way of getting paid, but it's not maxEV. Even if a big move gets action a small % of the time, it can still be more profitable than this.