Weird hand from 6k tourney in Sweden
 

6k tourney in sweden, 100 entrants
Start stacks 20k
Blinds 25-50, 1 hour blinds + slow structure

Opponent in this hand is Erik Friberg (8th place last years wsop)
This is 5th hand in the tourney and Erik´s been raising/playing every hand.

Erik 22k
Hero 20k

Folded to Erik in hijack who minraises for the first time to 100 I think for a while and make it 500 with
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] from co. While I´m stacking up chips for my reraise he tells me to not reraise too much.

He instacalls and flop is

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Pot 1075

Erik instabets 1200

What is my line here?

Half the deck are scarecards and I know he won´t hesitate to give me pressure on turn and river whether a scarecard comes on turn or not.

In cashgame and tourneys the stacksizes often aren´t deep enough that people bet out to the raiser in reraised pots without committing themselves so this was a new situation for me. I know or at least I think he´s really loose, what handrange can I put him on here?

Re: Weird hand from 6k tourney in Sweden
 

call. next street.

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dont really like the reraise but i guess you're swedish and its not an issue

but yeah, call

Re: Weird hand from 6k tourney in Sweden
 

Raise flop to 3500.

I realize you're up against an aggressive player, but I think raising is clearly better than calling.

We have room in our stacks for this... you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value). Our re-raise preflop helps our fold equity. If he flat-calls, we still have position on him for later streets.

This is a situation where we need to wield position.

I'm throwing up in my mouth if he 3-bets a flop raise, because that means he wants to play for stacks/put a move on us. However, he'd have to be REAL strong to be able to do that considering the aggression we've shown.

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dont really like the reraise but i guess you're swedish and its not an issue

but yeah, call

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This sounds like a hand from a Sweedish tournament. Doesn't it?

If Friberg has been raising every hand, it seems reasonable to reraise. AQo is not a really good hand with 400xBB, as the flop situation indicates.

I would just call the flop and generally call him down all the way if he keeps betting.

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you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value)...
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I'm throwing up in my mouth

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you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value)...
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I'm throwing up in my mouth

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I can't tell if this is a favorable quote-without-any-new-ideas or an unfavorable one.

If it's unfavorable, I've yet to see any reasons at all that calling is better than raising.

I still think raising the flop is better than calling the flop AINEC.

Re: Weird hand from 6k tourney in Sweden
 

raising is obviously stupid since we don't have enough of a read to be getting TPTK in for 400bb, so call.

pf is fine

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I would have made it 400 preflop, but 500 is fine and not a big deal

Raising the flop sucks pretty hard
Call, next street??

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you need to define your hand and raise for information (and probably value)...
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I'm throwing up in my mouth

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I can't tell if this is a favorable quote-without-any-new-ideas or an unfavorable one.

If it's unfavorable, I've yet to see any reasons at all that calling is better than raising.

I still think raising the flop is better than calling the flop AINEC.

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Why would you want to define your hand?

What range do you think that friberg will put the hero on after a pf reraise and a flop raise? What range do you think friberg will continue with if the hero raises the flop?

You are right by raising the flop we define our hand as AQ+ weighted more heavily toward AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AhKh. Friberg is not an idiot, why do we want him to put us on that range unless we are bluffing to get him off AA/KK (that is assuming that a raise will define our hand like you said)

Are you trying to make this hand easier to play or are you trying to get the maximum value?