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I'm going to do this a bit differently focusing on the BCS rankings because at this point that is the main thing that most people care about.

1. Missouri (B12)
2. West Virginia (Big East)
3. Georgia (SEC)
4. Virginia Tech (ACC)
5. USC (P10)
6. Ohio State (B10)
7. Oklahoma (B12)
8. Florida (SEC)
*. LSU (SEC)
9. BC (ACC)
*. Tenn (SEC)
*. Kansas (B12)
10. Hawaii (WAC)
11. Arizona St (P10)
12. Illinois (B10)
*. Texas (B12)
*. Oregon (P10)
*. Virginia (ACC)
13. Clemson (ACC)
*. Wisconsin (Big Ten)



Last week:
1. LSU (SEC)
2. Kansas (B12)
3. West Virginia (Big East)
4. Missouri (B12)
5. Ohio State (B10)
6. Arizona St (P10)
7. Georgia (SEC)
8. Virginia Tech (ACC)
9. Oregon (P10)
*. Oklahoma (B12)
*. USC (P10)
*. Florida (SEC)
*. Texas (B12)
10. BC (ACC)
11. Hawaii (WAC)
*. Virginia (ACC)
12. Illinois (B10)
*. Tenn (SEC)
13. Boise St (WAC)
14. Conn (Big East)

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Horrid losses happen all the time.

Off the top of my head, 04-05 UNC, one of the more heralded teams to win it all this decade, lost to Santa Clara by 11. I'm not going to dig up tons of examples, but the fact is that USC is going to win arguably the toughest conference in the country this year, they had huge injury issues, and they'd likely be no more than slight dogs against anyone right now and prob favored against most.

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As far as Sagarin's Strength of schedule (if I am reading it right)

Florida = 5
Georgia = 22
LSU = 26
USC= 33
Mizz = 34
WV = 35

UCLA (4), Cal (2) and Oregon (7) all have brutal SOS rankings, but USC does not. So while USC does sit in a tough conference, they are a 2-loss team with no worse schedule than some of the teams people are arguing they should be ahead of.

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Fact is that on a neutral field right now, USC is I'm guessing no bigger than a 3pt dog to anyone and favorites against most, including the two top teams right now.

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Favored over the top two? So would Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida and probably VTech. I think USC would be a dog to all of those teams (except VTech), although probably not by more than 3. That obviously doesn't make them the best team in the country.

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I think USC and Oklahoma are getting nowhere near enough love right now. Those two would be favored over anyone in the country and both have better resumes than LSU. Here's my Top 25:

1. Missouri
2. West Virginia
3. Ohio State
4. USC
5. Oklahoma
6. Kansas
7. LSU
8. Georgia
9. Florida
10. Virginia Tech (where do people get off putting them in the Top 5? They're 0-2 vs. the Top 20 this year)
11. Arizona State
12. Boston College
13. Tennesee
14. South Florida
15. Illinois
16. Hawaii
17. Cincinnati
18. Auburn
19. Oregon
20. Arkansas
21. Texas
22. Texas Tech
23. BYU
24. Wisconsin
25. Clemson

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Coaches Poll:
1. West Virgina (37 1st place, 1467 points)
2. Missouri (17, 1454)
3. Ohio State (6, 1383)
4. Georgia (1232)
5. VTech (1161)
5. Kansas (1161)
7. LSU (1134)
8. OU (1126)

WVU had more 1st place votes, but also more votes at 3rd or lower (compared to Missouri). OSU got 6 first place votes (as opposed to none in the AP), with everyone else pretty much putting them in 3rd. Georgia's a distant 4th with the next four all getting within 35 points of the same total.

Sagarin has his rankings as:
(1) Missouri
(2) West Virginia
(3) Kansas
(4) Virginia Tech
(5) Ohio State
(6) Georgia
(7) Boston College
(8) LSU
(9) Florida
(10) USC

Of course, the "real" Sagarin rankings (which don't just use W/L, have Oklahoma #1. :-)

One more note is that Oklahoma gains nothing in the computer rankings if they beat Missouri. They've already beaten them, so just using W/L, it doesn't help OU at all. Not that they have a chance to win the NC, but still a flaw in the system (as someone else noted earlier in the year).

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Here are the Sagarin SOS numbers with record vs. top 30 in parenthesis

LSU 26 (3-2)
Georgia 22 (3-1)
USC 33 (2-1)
ASU 27 (1-2)
Oklahoma 67 (2-0)
VT 45 (1-2)
BC 41 (2-0)

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One more note is that Oklahoma gains nothing in the computer rankings if they beat Missouri. They've already beaten them, so just using W/L, it doesn't help OU at all. Not that they have a chance to win the NC, but still a flaw in the system (as someone else noted earlier in the year).

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I doubt this is anywhere near as clear-cut as you think it is. The different computer rankings all use different formulas, most of which are kept private. I'm sure it won't help them as much as if they beat Kansas, but it should still be a sizable boost.

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One more note is that Oklahoma gains nothing in the computer rankings if they beat Missouri. They've already beaten them, so just using W/L, it doesn't help OU at all. Not that they have a chance to win the NC, but still a flaw in the system (as someone else noted earlier in the year).

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I doubt this is anywhere near as clear-cut as you think it is. The different computer rankings all use different formulas, most of which are kept private. I'm sure it won't help them as much as if they beat Kansas, but it should still be a sizable boost.

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I don't think so. Most use formulas that compare the actual teams as compared to other teams. For example, they look at their opponents' opponents. That doesn't change with playing Missouri again and winning. Oklahoma>Missouri and that wouldn't change.

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Harris Poll:
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1. Missouri (57) 11-1 2779
2. W. Va (45) 10-1 2753
3. Ohio St (11) 11-1 2638
4. Georgia 10-2 2368
5. LSU 10-2 2215
6. Kansas 11-1 2170
7. Virginia Tech 10-2 2164
8. Oklahoma 10-2 2132
9. USC 9-2 2059
10. Hawaii (1) 11-0 1829
11. Florida 9-3 1757
12. Boston College 10-2 1587
13. Arizona State 9-2 1446
14. Illinois 9-3 1254
15. Tennessee 9-3 1249
16. Wisconsin 9-3 911 </pre><hr />

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