Appropriate draw play?
 

PokerStars Game #7885217740: 5 Card Draw Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/11 - 18:29:06 (ET)
Table 'Mette II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DannyxOcean ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Fight ($2 in chips)
Seat 3: Gammastyle ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 4: newghetto ($17.05 in chips)
Seat 5: jimmybluffit ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 6: loggerdan ($27.70 in chips)
Fight: posts small blind $0.25
Gammastyle: posts big blind $0.50
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to DannyxOcean [Qd Td 4s 9d Ad]
newghetto: raises $0.50 to $1
jimmybluffit: calls $1
loggerdan: folds
DannyxOcean: ???

The pot is already 2.75, with a possible BB or SB call making it 3.25ish on average. Do the implied odds make this flush draw a call, or should I just fold?

Danny

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

Another Question:

If 3.25ish/1 isn't enough for you to play a flush draw here, what odds would you need, considering this is low limit and it's likely we will be paid off if we hit.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

5 to 1 odds. You won't get paid off often enough, believe me. It's okay if you're in the blinds but don't forget that you'll also be first to act and you'll have to hope to check raise or be up against high trips to be paid off.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

i think its close and i think call is fine - it wouldnt be close if you werent on the button or as close if you didnt have the nut flush draw

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

Without question, fold.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

Easy fold, and from the SB as well.

From the BB, at 2.75-1, it's not as bad as it is from any other position because you could pair your ace and that might be the best hand.

Implied odds don't come up nearly as much in draw as they do in hold 'em. You've got fewer betting rounds, fewer players and your swap action will often give away what you're drawing at, reducing the likelihood that you'll get people betting into you, calling your bets or raising you.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

3 bet it and stand pat! The guy UTG will want to call, but will be worried when the guy to act after him (and before you) draws one, and the draw 1 guy will not improve and fold too.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

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3 bet it and stand pat! The guy UTG will want to call, but will be worried when the guy to act after him (and before you) draws one, and the draw 1 guy will not improve and fold too.

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At these limits, nobody folds to a pat hand.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

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3 bet it and stand pat! The guy UTG will want to call, but will be worried when the guy to act after him (and before you) draws one, and the draw 1 guy will not improve and fold too.

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That's horrible advice.

Re: Appropriate draw play?
 

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Implied odds don't come up nearly as much in draw as they do in hold 'em. You've got fewer betting rounds, fewer players and your swap action will often give away what you're drawing at, reducing the likelihood that you'll get people betting into you, calling your bets or raising you.

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so you raise the "usual" thing from UTG and get 3 callers - i before you and 2 after you - you dont improve and you dont have a hand that you want to value bet anyway so you check - its checked to the button who flat called and bought 1 and he bets and its folded to you - your saying this is a fold ?

i think most of the time i get this hand i would fold pre-draw - if however you think this is an auto fold then i think your failing to see the complexities that exist at draw - knowing how to smack up guys who cant play draw isnt knowing how to play draw - like most games knowing the answers isnt nearly as important as knowing what the questions are

stripsqueez - chickenhawk