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Heavens_Myst 05-22-2007 10:52 AM

TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
villian is 6.8pfr from level over 200 or so hands

is this a leak not calling?

im not sure what I had for his range other than 99+,AQ+, and I didn't want to coinflip so early.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t3050)
SB (t1245)
Hero (t3120)
UTG (t1095)
MP1 (t2680)
MP2 (t1000)
CO (t2810)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1245</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls t995 (All-In).

Flop: (t2340) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2340) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2340) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2340

luthar 05-22-2007 10:58 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
I don't get how you played that...

You limp UTG, I would expect you to do this for set value. But you call a 12BB push from a tight vilain?!

Doesn't make any sence. IMHO if you are limping, you are folding to a push. If you feel like calling, raise to 300 pf making this around a 2.5:1 call...

Also another factor is the times you limp UTG. If you do it often and fold on flop, then SB can push a little wider...

Great it worked out but I think you are way behind here.

Stevens65 05-22-2007 11:00 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
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im not sure what I had for his range other than 99+,AQ+, and I didn't want to coinflip so early.


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I would probably discount KK and AA, maybe QQ too. So the only hand you are behind is JJ. I like a call here. Even if you loose you`re still in a good shape.

RexWoo 05-22-2007 11:05 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
This is close imo. A fold is probably OK as most of the time I think he does not push A8 / 44.

RexWoo 05-22-2007 11:07 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
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I would probably discount KK and AA, maybe QQ too.

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Based on what ?

holy32 05-22-2007 11:12 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
What buyin is this ?

Stevens65 05-22-2007 11:13 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
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I would probably discount KK and AA, maybe QQ too.

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Based on what ?

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Without any special read I would give villain credit that he assumes he will get more value from raising QQ+.

emb 05-22-2007 11:15 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
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I don't get how you played that...

You limp UTG, I would expect you to do this for set value. But you call a 12BB push from a tight vilain?!



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Valid point for UTG, but Hero here is the BB.

emb

Guizones 05-22-2007 11:15 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
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im not sure what I had for his range other than 99+,AQ+, and I didn't want to coinflip so early.


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I would probably discount KK and AA, maybe QQ too. So the only hand you are behind is JJ. I like a call here. Even if you loose you`re still in a good shape.

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I agree.

Get SNGPT and learn how to use it. I bought my yesterday and it's wonderful. Your move is +EV if you call here. I think this will help me a lot!

Thanks

Heavens_Myst 05-22-2007 11:19 AM

Re: TT, sb pushes all in while im BB
 
yes hero was BB, not UTG.

I'm starting to realize a lot of my leaks and SNGPT is on my todo list. I've just hit a sick run of cold decks and coolers so I think that played into my decision. Can't tell you how many times lately I've had TT-KK run into Ax (villian had A10 in this hand) and lose, etc etc. I was just trying to see if this was a call most of the time.

Thx fellas.


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