nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

villain sucks, 39/10/.6

should i just shove the flop, or call to see if the board pairs?

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($0.30)
SB ($22.75)
BB ($10.75)
Hero ($22.45)
MP ($17.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.35</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.30 (All-In), SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $4.35</font> hero?

edit: read is over 160 hands, everyone else folded

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

Shove, because he make this same play with AA/2-pair/a lower set. Should you be up against the straight you have a bunch of outs.

Edit: Straight, not flush.

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

I shove. Will you fold to a turn bet when the board doesn't pair in a big pot? Probably not. So get your money in now when you have best equity. This will be a 2pair a lot, btw.

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

What did the SB and BB do?? I'm not sure I like a push here. SB has a really low aggression factor. I think he might have the straight. Either that or a pair and a straight draw. But I would really hate to fold top pair. I think I might call/re-evaluate. What does everyone else think? Is calling to dangerous because it opens up to completing a lot of straights?

I'm saying this because at 10NL i've recently had this happen to me a lot. Where I have a big hand and the villian makes a large re-raise, I push, and it ends up being the straight almost every single time.

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

How many hands on the read. He's not very aggressive and I wouldn't just shove as you'll minimize your winnings and maximize your losses.

There are alot of hands that could do this to snap off your continuation bet including 2 pair and pair and straight draw. I'm check calling safe turns and rivers (no A no T).

If he pushes turn, I'm not happy and I might dump it.

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

I'd make a small 3-bet and hope he pushes over it.

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

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How many hands on the read. He's not very aggressive and I wouldn't just shove as you'll minimize your winnings and maximize your losses.

There are alot of hands that could do this to snap off your continuation bet including 2 pair and pair and straight draw. I'm check calling safe turns and rivers (no A no T).

If he pushes turn, I'm not happy and I might dump it.

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lol, you want to fold top set on a rainbow board because someone raises? wow

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

62,370 games 0.005 secs 12,474,000 games/sec

Board: Js Qd Kc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.009% 62.01% 01.00% 38677 622.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 36.991% 35.99% 01.00% 22449 622.00 { AA, QQ-JJ, AKs, ATs, KJs+, QJs, T9s, AKo, ATo, KJo+, QJo, T9o }


I think he's making that play with almost any of the above hands. Even if you eliminate all two pairs in this range you still have over 50% equity.

47,520 games 0.001 secs 47,520,000 games/sec

Board: Js Qd Kc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.191% 51.38% 00.81% 24417 384.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 47.809% 47.00% 00.81% 22335 384.00 { AA, QQ-JJ, AKs, ATs, T9s, AKo, ATo, T9o }

Re: nl 10 top set c/red deep
 

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But I would really hate to fold top set

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FYP.

I shove. Even if SB has a made straight you have 7 outs (3xJ, 3xQ, 1xK). If you make a small raise and SB calls, or you flat call his 3bet, then turn brings an A or T, what would you do?

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lol, you want to fold top set on a rainbow board because someone raises? wow

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I said I might dump it. Let's hear your reasoning here instead of the ever popular snide comments. Here's mine.

This guys not aggro and if it all ends up in the middle, he's got AT a lot.
Most of the combo draw hands are out because we've got 2 of the kings.

Unless a 0.6 aggro gets it in 200bb deep with AK or bottom 2, you have to wonder what he's willing to go deep with.

If it was a 2 flush board, then there are more draws in his range.

Snide comment without reasoning, wow.