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daveT 09-19-2007 01:54 PM

K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
I don't feel like finding the actual hh, so I am taking this off the top of my head.

Anyways, from hand one, the guns are blazing at full speed. I doubt either of us hit anything yet. So it is basically bluff flop, bluff turn, re-bluff, fold, rinse, repeat.

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I think he is better than me.

I have the BB.

Me: 1200
Villain: 1800

blinds 10/20

Hero holds K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero raises to 60, villain raises to 120, hero calls.

He would be raising me lightly here, obv.

Flop:

K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

What is my plan for the rest of the hand?

To consider. We have yet to reach showdown. He is also likely to call me lightly, I think. Also consider that he probably knows that I know this. Also consider that I am playing blind percentages here, so I am looking at a 50% chance of him not having a spade. He would also recognize that this is a great flop for me to bare-ace.

jay_shark 09-19-2007 03:17 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
If he's holding a random hand then the odds of him holding a spade is 9*38/47c2 ~ 31.6% . In reality , his odds of holding a spade will be a bit less since he will be raising with more pocket pair hands than a typical unpaired random hand .

This means that about 75% of the time , he doesn't have you beat . To be exact , it's 1- 7*38/47c2~75% .

I would definitely consider check raising here is he's an aggressive player . The combination of you possibly having the best hand and the best draw makes check raising a reasonable option .

soop 09-19-2007 03:27 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
Against a lag I would probably be willing to get all in here.

I think I like a check raise to try to get some dead CB bet money in the pot first.

daveT 09-19-2007 04:20 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
Against a good LAG and a bad LAG?

JS, thanks for the specifics. Math is not my strong point.

cwar 09-19-2007 04:27 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
The answer is fold preflop, he expects to play LAG play tighter.

daveT 09-19-2007 05:48 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
I c bet and the turn blanks out.

He bet into me, now what?

soop 09-19-2007 07:00 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
Was it a small bet or a pot sized bet?

Gesangsverein 09-19-2007 07:22 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
Fold preflop and change gears!
There`s no better way to exploit a Lag -who expects you to be a LAG too!!- than in playing tight for a while!

daveT 09-19-2007 08:05 PM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
Okay, I just learned how easy it is to pull up HH's.

I got the turn wrong. He checked to me.

The flop I actually raised. But since you all like getting it all in hear... I don't know, judge the flop as you will.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t1950)
Hero (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, BB calls t40.

Flop: (t120) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t240</font>, BB calls t140.

Turn: (t600) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks,

soop 09-20-2007 12:16 AM

Re: K4 ofsooot!!! LAG on LAG action. 10 sng
 
Yay for hand histories

I'd probably push the turn. I don't think anything pays you off if you check behind and the river blanks.

Also to the people saying fold preflop - do you mean open folding or folding to the raise?


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