Two hands against short stacks
 

so, Empire gave me $15 free for play 150 raked, and I built it to just under $60 at 25NL -- go me! So anyway....

I know this is a multiple hand post, but it has a theme -- in both I am against short stacks. I think both of these hands might be totally standard, but I just wanted to make sure.

Hand one -- read: none. This guy just came to the table and bought in short.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($23.75)
SB ($42.54)
BB ($8.30)
Greg ($25.25)
UTG+1 ($41.26)
MP1 ($24.75)
MP2 ($4.50)
MP3 ($12.87)
CO ($5.92)

Preflop: Greg is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">Greg raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Greg bets $1.25</font>, CO calls $1.25.

<font color="blue"> Considering how short he is, I want to bleed him. I'm not too worried about giving a cheap card here, since even if he hit a flush I'm calling any bet he would make.</font>

Turn: ($4.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Greg bets $2</font>, CO calls $2.

<font color="blue">Again, I'm trying to string him along.</font>

River: ($8.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Greg bets $2</font>, CO calls $1.67 (All-In).

Final Pot: $12.52


Hand two -- read: villian is fairly tight, and bought in for $5.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($39.79)
CO ($0)
Button ($24.30)
Greg ($32.27)
BB ($44.56)
UTG ($21.45)
UTG+1 ($12.27)
MP1 ($4.95)

Preflop: Greg is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Greg posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Greg (poster) calls $32.17 (All-In), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $3.95 (All-In).

Flop: ($37.47) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($37.47) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($37.47) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $37.47

Hand converter messed that up a bit -- it should be 2 players, 2 all in.

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

Hand 1: Board is too drawy to be giving cheap cards to shortstacks. Flush or straight card comes, you fold? No way. Pot the flop.

Hand 2: What more can you ask for? Someone called your preflop all-in while you were holding the 2nd preflop nuts.

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

Greg:

H1: I think your plan should be to get him in on the turn. In case he does have a draw that misses the turn, you want him in there so he doesn't fold river if he misses. So, closer to $2 on the flop, rest on turn.

H2: I just raise to the shorties stack size in case BB wants to come along.

--aj

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

Hand 1 just push the turn, while he may still be drawing. Busted draws won't call anything on river.

Hand 2 I'd make a normal RR and see if BB will tag along. You really don't need to isolate such a shorty here.

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

hand 2 is good, hand 1 works but I like betting more at each street, getting him in sooner

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

1: I don't think that you're deep enough to make getting the money in over 3 streets practical, and if he's calling you with a draw he might fold the river if he misses, which would suck. I bet 1/3 of his stack on the flop and put him in on the turn.

2) That's an extremely big overbet considering the BB behind you is still active and has you covered.. I'd just make a PSR.

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

I always raise to the guy's stack size as mentioned. This often sucks in the suckers.

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

Yep, shorties then to chase, but will lay down on river if missed, so get him in on turn in hand one.

Hand two ... , yes, give BB a chance to jump on the train, raise to stacksize.

Re: Two hands against short stacks
 

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Greg:

H1: I think your plan should be to get him in on the turn. In case he does have a draw that misses the turn, you want him in there so he doesn't fold river if he misses. So, closer to $2 on the flop, rest on turn.

H2: I just raise to the shorties stack size in case BB wants to come along.

--aj

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