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Tonight's episode is the $25,000 WPT World Championship at the Bellagio, where we get to see [spoilers in white]<font color="white"> how Paul Lee donks off his chips that helps allow for Morrison and Mortensen to be headsup. </font>

The final table consisted of:

Seat 1. Kirk Morrison - 4,194,000
Seat 2. Guy Laliberte - 4,690,000
Seat 3. Carlos Mortensen - 6,501,000
Seat 4. Mike Wattel - 2,887,000
Seat 5. Paul Lee - 11,828,000
Seat 6. Tim Phan - 2,162,000

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This is going to be good TV.

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guy looked nothing like i imagined him. i dont know what i imagined him, but it wasnt that

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VVP - "He could be out of here faster than Britney Spears out of rehab." [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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lol, I didn't know Guy's name was pronounced so gayly.

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Wow! Guy flashes an Ace and nothing is said.

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not only that, phan folded. he wouldnt talk like that with AA would he?

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wtf Kirk?

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lol @ kirk morrisson slowroll

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I think he's more of a retard than a douchebag.

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well he's a better tournament player than i probably will ever be and i make that call instantly so maybe im the retard...

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lovin the "fit or fold", my c-bets need more respect

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well he's a better tournament player than i probably will ever be and i make that call instantly so maybe im the retard...

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No, it's Kirk.

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wtf paul lee plays a hand

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i'm behind, watching it on tivo, the delay with jj was tilly-like

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No, it's Kirk.

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Say Carlos had AA or KK or AK. He reraises for 1/3 of Kirk's stack, Kirk calls. Carlos puts Kirk squarely on QQ, JJ, TT, 99. The flop comes Q J 9. Carlos is done with the hand on that flop. That's what Kirk is thinking, how the hell did that flop not scare the crap out of Carlos given the preflop action? QQ (or KT) is the only hand that it makes any sense to bet into me there, and he's right, it is. Then he decided, to hell with it, I can't possibly fold this, but I don't think he had a clue what Carlos had, and actually thought there was a real chance that he was way behind.

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Nice. Forty minutes of HU.

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they misspelled ecuador didnt they? or have i been deceived and its really equador

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well he's a better tournament player than i probably will ever be and i make that call instantly so maybe im the retard...

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No, it's Kirk.

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Say Carlos had AA or KK or AK. He reraises for 1/3 of Kirk's stack, Kirk calls. Carlos puts Kirk squarely on QQ, JJ, TT, 99. The flop comes Q J 9. Carlos is done with the hand on that flop. That's what Kirk is thinking, how the hell did that flop not scare the crap out of Carlos given the preflop action? QQ (or KT) is the only hand that it makes any sense to bet into me there, and he's right, it is. Then he decided, to hell with it, I can't possibly fold this, but I don't think he had a clue what Carlos had, and actually thought there was a real chance that he was way behind.

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This has to be a level.

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nothin like it ending with the while chips in play = 20 BB

eh std WPT tho

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Ahhh, finally a good WPT episode...



















































...til they get to HU where they are (essentially) flipping coins for $2 MILLION [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] *gags* [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

They MUST keep the new structure that was just instituted during July's Bellagio Cup III (90min levels til HU, then 60min levels)

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They MUST keep the new structure that was just instituted during July's Bellagio Cup III (90min levels til HU, then 60min levels)

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Johnny Grooms (TD for the WPT Gulf Coast Poker Championship in early Sept) says the structure that was used for Bellagio Cup III will be in play in Biloxi. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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They MUST keep the new structure that was just instituted during July's Bellagio Cup III (90min levels til HU, then 60min levels)

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Johnny Grooms (TD for the WPT Gulf Coast Poker Championship in early Sept) says the structure that was used for Bellagio Cup III will be in play in Biloxi. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Yeah, I've read that thread and I'm very happy for the players who make it deep there. Just a necessity now throughout the WPT.

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They MUST keep the new structure that was just instituted during July's Bellagio Cup III (90min levels til HU, then 60min levels)

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Johnny Grooms (TD for the WPT Gulf Coast Poker Championship in early Sept) says the structure that was used for Bellagio Cup III will be in play in Biloxi. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Wait, they are using the new structure? So I guess something changed because he originally said they were using the old one. FANTASTIC news though.

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This is the first WPT episode that I've really enjoyed since this year's Mandalay Bay episode.

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Best episode of the season.

I love the drama of seeing guys like Mortensen, Phan and Wattel dying with every decision and river card, while a guy like Guy is just having fun.

They attract new players, but I'm not that interested in the amateur player who has the run of a lifetime and wins the big event. I'm drawn to the tension of watching these grinding tourney pros try their best to drag out a big score, knowing, based on the size and skill of the fields, this will be one of the few times in their career they will make a 10K or better final table, much less the WPT Championship.

Kudos to Carlos for hanging in there. Morrison's slowroll and the 10 on the river when Carlos was 4-1 to win the title were just brutal.

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I turned away for a while after Carlos was crippled by the set of Jacks. How many chips did he have left after that hand?

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I think Carlos had about 1.5M after the AQ vs. JJ hand, with the blinds being 150k/300k. Also lol at Kirk's agonizing decision of calling an all in with JJ in that spot.

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agree that this was a solid episode, much better than a lot of the garbgae we've had to watch for the most part...

lol at that JJ hand, i was flat out tilting just from watching it

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Yeah this was finally a good episode to watch.
The final two players played very well and it was fun to watch up until it was decided by the crapshoot structure at the end.
I'm actually kind of looking forward to watching WPT again with the better structure implemented next season.

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was Carlos's Ex-wife in the audience?they seemed so happy a few years ago when the WPT did a small segment on them when he took down his 1st WPT title.now they are divorced go figure?

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There were childhood sweethearts IIRC...it was a bit surprising. But then again...you know Carlos has had some amazing 'opportunities' over the years...it would be extremely difficult not to give in to temptation at least once or twice. And even if he doesn't it can make for a very jealous wife. Not saying this was in any way what happened but...Carlos' fame had to put a strain on the relationship.

And somebody's gotta say it:
Carlos [censored] Mortensen

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The best you can offer are insults? I may be out of the loop and you may be some superstar but you really are not offering anything to this thread except for childish remarks.

As for Kirk -- Several decisions he made were questionable at best, but what some need to take away from it is that the guy does analyze and think through every hand. I don't have his success and will share my opinion that he took way too long to call with three jacks BUT I certainly don't fault him for his play. Mike and VVP were way too critical with the slow roll comments. If he had the nuts, fine, be that critical.

It made for good TV but really was not that big a deal.

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Say Carlos had AA or KK or AK. He reraises for 1/3 of Kirk's stack, Kirk calls. Carlos puts Kirk squarely on QQ, JJ, TT, 99. The flop comes Q J 9. Carlos is done with the hand on that flop. That's what Kirk is thinking, how the hell did that flop not scare the crap out of Carlos given the preflop action? QQ (or KT) is the only hand that it makes any sense to bet into me there, and he's right, it is. Then he decided, to hell with it, I can't possibly fold this, but I don't think he had a clue what Carlos had, and actually thought there was a real chance that he was way behind.

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Agreed. He knew it was either QQ, KK, or AQ and took his time to consider his situation. I can't remember how many were left when this hand took place but the real cash dollar swing had to be between $500K and just under $4M. Nothing wrong with taking time to consider his situation.

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well he's a better tournament player than i probably will ever be and i make that call instantly so maybe im the retard...

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No, it's Kirk.

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Say Carlos had AA or KK or AK. He reraises for 1/3 of Kirk's stack, Kirk calls. Carlos puts Kirk squarely on QQ, JJ, TT, 99. The flop comes Q J 9. Carlos is done with the hand on that flop. That's what Kirk is thinking, how the hell did that flop not scare the crap out of Carlos given the preflop action? QQ (or KT) is the only hand that it makes any sense to bet into me there, and he's right, it is. Then he decided, to hell with it, I can't possibly fold this, but I don't think he had a clue what Carlos had, and actually thought there was a real chance that he was way behind.

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LOL @ you. Are you so used to rapid fire instacalls that you see on TV that you can't comprehend that someone may think through a hand that, if they lose, knocks them out of a tournament that they feel pretty good about getting to one or two? A swing of roughly $3.5M? You armchair poker players who see everyone's cards on your screen and know what the best play is all the time are a laugh.

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well he's a better tournament player than i probably will ever be and i make that call instantly so maybe im the retard...

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No, it's Kirk.

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Say Carlos had AA or KK or AK. He reraises for 1/3 of Kirk's stack, Kirk calls. Carlos puts Kirk squarely on QQ, JJ, TT, 99. The flop comes Q J 9. Carlos is done with the hand on that flop. That's what Kirk is thinking, how the hell did that flop not scare the crap out of Carlos given the preflop action? QQ (or KT) is the only hand that it makes any sense to bet into me there, and he's right, it is. Then he decided, to hell with it, I can't possibly fold this, but I don't think he had a clue what Carlos had, and actually thought there was a real chance that he was way behind.

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LOL @ you. Are you so used to rapid fire instacalls that you see on TV that you can't comprehend that someone may think through a hand that, if they lose, knocks them out of a tournament that they feel pretty good about getting to one or two? A swing of roughly $3.5M? You armchair poker players who see everyone's cards on your screen and know what the best play is all the time are a laugh.

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Thinking through the decision is fine, but it took him like 2 minutes TV time to make the decision, and who knows if maybe longer actual time. I just think that as Mike said "Vince, if he's got 3 queens he's got them", you can't play JJ there and expect to fold on that flop. I mean it's not like their playing 200 BB stacks here. Its the late stages in a tournament with 30 BB or so. You can't escape sets over sets in this particualar dynamic. I may have taken like 5-10 seconds to double check board and then called, and I think any other experienced player would have done the same.

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I can't completely fault him for taking his time to think the hand through, but I would have instacalled. I mean Carlos wouldn't have finished saying awwwwwwwin before I said 'Call'. But then again, one of my biggest flaws in my game is acting before fully running down the hand in my head. If I were on TV and in this position I would like to think that I would give it at least 10-15 seconds to double-check everything, but when you hit a flop like that there's no way I am considering a fold.

Cliff Notes: Not absolute nuts, so slow roll accusations may be a little much, especially when the player does tend to analyze hands quite a bit.

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I always thought a slow roll was when you knew you had the best hand but took your time just to be a ball buster. It was clear that though Kirk took a long time to call it wasn't because he was slow rolling. Rightly or wrongly, he agonized over the decision and felt he might be behind.

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I always thought a slow roll was when you knew you had the best hand but took your time just to be a ball buster. It was clear that though Kirk took a long time to call it wasn't because he was slow rolling. Rightly or wrongly, he agonized over the decision and felt he might be behind.

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and he made sure to say "Sorry, Carlos" and try to explain after the hand

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Yeah, he wasn't purposefully slowrolling Carlos. I think the idea of Carlos having QQ just got stuck in his head and he couldn't shake it.