List of eWallets for Canadians (#2 of 2)
 

This is a continuation of the original thread, still available here.

This thread is constantly changing, as not every eWallet has been tried with every site - some of this information comes from poker room's websites, which are not always accurate. Keep this in mind when planning deposits, and please post back here if you have any corrections or new information.

Re: List of eWallets for Canadians (#2 of 2)
 

Moneybookers - AP (Withdrawal only on VP247), b2b, Betfair, Boss (some), Cake, Dobrosoft (Wingows), Everest, FT, iPoker (some), Ladbrokes, Mansion, Microgaming, OnGame, Pacific, Party, Poker4Ever, Stars, UB, WSEX
Click2Pay - AP, Boss (some), Crypto (Sun & IP only), Everest, FT, iPoker (some), Microgaming (some), OnGame (NOT Eurobet, Europoker), Poker.com, TruePoker, UB
ePassporte - AP, Bugsy's Club, Cake, Dobrosoft (Wingows), GamesGrid, FT, Poker4Ever, Stars, UB
Instadebit - AP, iPoker, Mansion, Pacific (deposit only?), TruePoker, UB, WSEX
EcoCard - Dobrosoft (FCP, Wingows), iPoker, Mansion, Microgaming (some), OnGame (Eurobet), Poker4Ever
ATMOnline - Dobrosoft (Poker World), UB
ewalletxpress - Bugsy's Club, Dobrosoft (FCP)
No eWallet - Crypto (Betsafe, Poker Plex, Totalbet, UK Betting, Will Hill), Paradise, Poker Champs

Networks checked so far: AP, b2b, Betfair, Boss, Bugsy's Club, Cake, Crypto, Dobrosoft, Everest, FT, GamesGrid, iPoker, Ladbrokes, Mansion, Microgaming, OnGame, Pacific, Paradise, Party, Poker.com, Poker Champs, Poker4Ever, Stars, TruePoker, UB, WSEX.

<u>Moneybookers</u>

Currency Available: US $, Can $, others
Funding Options: Bank Transfer (Free), CC (1.9% fee)
Withdrawal Options: Cheque ($4.67 fee), International Bank Transfer ($2.40 fee) - your bank must have its OWN SWIFT code. If your Bank/Credit Union uses a "correspondent bank", this will NOT work.
Depositing on Sites: No fees
Cashouts from Sites: No fees
Transaction Limits: 1,000 Euro for Outgoing Transactions, no limit for Incoming. Can be increased to as high as 17,000 Euro with verification steps.

<u>Click2Pay</u>

Currency Available: Can $ only
Funding Options: Bank Wire (NOT transfer), CC (3% fee) - you don't actually fund the account with your CC prior to making a deposit at a poker site. If you have no funds in your account when you make a deposit at a poker site, they then take it from your CC.
Withdrawal Options: Cheque (Issued in Euros, $2 fee), C2P Card ($10 fee to get card, $5 monthly dormant fee after 6 months, 2% fee on withdrawals min $3 max $15)
Depositing on Sites: No fees, no charge on currency exchange
Cashouts from Sites: No fees, no charge on currency exchange
Transaction Limits: NO limits on C2P-site-C2P transfers. $500/wk limit on loading from CC, will be increased after you spend a certain amount of money over a certain period of time...not specified how much or how long. Next level is $1,000 per week. There are a total of 4 levels after your initial one.

<u>ePassporte</u>

Currency Available: US $ only
Funding Options: CC only ($5 fee per $100 loaded)
Withdrawal Options: Wire Transfer ($50 fee), ATM ($2 fee, requires a $35 purchase of a Visa Card, $35 annual fee)
Depositing on Sites: No fees
Cashouts from Sites: No fees
Transaction Limits: $500 max daily total loads ($1000 for select); 5 max daily loads; 10 max daily transactions; $300 max daily total withdrawals ($600 for select); 5 max daily ATM transactions; 10 max Visa transactions. Select status requirements on web site, $5 fee

<u>Instadebit</u>

Currency Available: Can &amp; US $ together - If you transfer from a site in either currency, it will be kept in the same currency in your Instadebit account until you tranfer back to your bank account; this can result in two balances, one in each currency.
Funding Options: Instacash account is only funded by making transfers from a site back to Instacash; Initial transfer will be made directly from the linked bank account to the site, and subsequent transfers come from the Instacash account, unless there is not enough funds, in which case the funds come directly from the linked account again.
Withdrawal Options: EFT, no fees.
Depositing on Sites: No fees, no charge on currency exchange
Cashouts from Sites: No fees, no charge on currency exchange
Transaction Limits: $500/transaction, $500/day, $500/7-day period, $2,500/30-day period; These limits are reviewed on a regular basis and may be increased automatically based on your transaction activity.

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This is a list of banks' wire transfer fees, courtesy of Savvy76:

All transfers are assumed to originate from Ontario and going to Germany (where Moneybookers' bank is located) and vice versa.

<u>BMO</u>

Outgoing - Flat fee of $10 + 0.2% of amount transferred (min. $15 - max $125)
Incoming - Flat fee of $14

<u>CIBC</u>

Outgoing - Flat fee of $35
Incoming - There is a charge of $10 for each incoming wire transfer. Wire transfers from Schedule 2 banks cost between $5 and $10 per transfer.

<u>Citizen's Bank</u>

Outgoing - Flat fee of $23
Incoming - Free

<u>National Bank</u>

Outgoing - $15 + 0.38% of amt. transferred
Incoming - ?

<u>RBC</u>

Outgoing - Flat fee of $35 + communication fee to Germany ($7) = $42
Incoming - Free for wires under $50, $15 for wires over $50

<u>Scotia</u>

Outgoing - I was quoted $12-13 + 0.15% of transfer amt.(but when I actually did mine at Scotia it was $15 + $7.50 (to Germany) = $22.50)
Incoming - Flat fee $10

<u>TD Canada Trust</u>

Outgoing - Transfers under $10K - flat fee of $30, Transfers $10K - $250K - flat fee of $50
Incoming - Flat fee $10

Re: List of eWallets for Canadians (#2 of 2)
 

eWallet FAQ:

Q: Is there any way to load a Moneybookers account from a poker site?

A: The following sites have allowed at least one person to withdraw to MB without having deposited with that method: Eurobet, Gamebookers, Pokerheaven, UltimateBet. Also, PokerSavvy allows you to cash points for their offers to an MB account.

Q: When registering a CC with MB, should I check the option for using it for gaming purposes?

A: If you check the box, it's possible your CC will be declined, if it isn't alowed to be used for gaming sites. However, by not checking it could be worse...they then won't allow the money to be used for gaming. Will that just affect deposits from your CC, or all money in MB? No one seems to know for sure.

Q: What are the best/cheapest options for a Canadian to withdraw money from a bankroll?

A: An EFT or cheque from a poker site is likely best where possible. Otherwise, either the C2P ATM card or a MB cheque seem like the best ways to go, but we are still awaiting trip reports on both of these.

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Has anyone cashed out via cheque from MB?

Will, nothing further on your C2P ATM card?

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I contacted CS at BetSafe and was told they accept MoneyBookers...

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thanks for this. I'd like to point out InstaDebit has been a joy to use and their service is very fast.

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thanks for this. I'd like to point out InstaDebit has been a joy to use and their service is very fast.

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Can you shed any more light on how things work? Have you cashed out with them yet?

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I used them to deposit money from UB and for casino sites as well. The bank authentication process was fast, and it's a breeze to deposit anywhere. I haven't withdrawn with them yet, as UB screwed up my withdrawal to InstaDebit, but their service has been really fast to respond to my questions so I don't doubt withdrawing would be done as fast.

And since they have no fees at all, it's even better.

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I used them to deposit money from UB and for casino sites as well. The bank authentication process was fast, and it's a breeze to deposit anywhere. I haven't withdrawn with them yet, as UB screwed up my withdrawal to InstaDebit, but their service has been really fast to respond to my questions so I don't doubt withdrawing would be done as fast.

And since they have no fees at all, it's even better.

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That's great to hear...they seem pretty good in my limited experience thus far.

What I'm most interested in finding out is how they handle currency exchange. They told me that if I deposited money on to a site from my bank account, and then withdrew it all the way back in the same day, I wouldn't lose any money. Seeing as my first deposit was charged about 3 points higher than the current exchange rate (about 1.135 as opposed to 1.105), I find this hard to believe. Since I mostly use eWallets to bounce money back and forth between sites, this isn't a big deal...but I was hoping this could be a new solution for withdrawing money back to my bank account. I'm hoping they don't nail us for 2 or 3 points on the way out. If you ever withdraw back to your account, please let us know how it goes.

My only other concern with them are the limits. They're pretty small to start with, but they apparently will increase them in time. Have yours been increased at all yet?

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Nope not yet, I did think 750.00 is quite low considering they have direct access to my bank account...I have only used them for 3-4 months tho, I guess they need more transactions to increase the limits.

Can't say about currency transactions, but i have found most ewallets/poker sites are not so bad in those regards.

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eWallet FAQ:

Q: Is there any way to load a Moneybookers account from a poker site?

A: The following sites have allowed at least one person to withdraw to MB without having deposited with that method: Eurobet, Gamebookers, Pokerheaven, UltimateBet. Also, PokerSavvy allows you to cash points for their offers to an MB account.


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I was able to initially fund my Moneybookers account with a withdrawal from Absolute (all previous transactions with Absolute had been via Neteller). I am a VIP Elite at Absolute, I don't know whether that matters but one email to support and the ability to withdraw to MB was added to my withdrawal options in the cashier. The initial withdrawal was completed in about 24 hrs.


Keep up the good work Bobo Fett, much appreciated.

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A friend of mine has successfully used the C2P debit card to withdraw money but he tells me he can't confirm the fees they charge because there is simply no way to check transactions or even the card balance.

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A friend of mine has successfully used the C2P debit card to withdraw money but he tells me he can't confirm the fees they charge because there is simply no way to check transactions or even the card balance.

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Ummm... well was all the money there or not? Seems like a pretty good confirmation to me if it was or wasn't.

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Click2pay accepts a visa debit cashout request and ... does something. Do they load the visa debit in USD or CAD? Who does the conversion and at what rate? Is there a second conversion? Does C2P ship EUR to their local visa processor and do they do the actual conversion, or is it a Canadian processor? What are their rates?

Click2pay claims to not charge a fee for USD-&gt;CAD conversions, but since they appear to perform their operations on a EUR base, there's no way that we can reasonably take their word for it because they do not run their operations on the basis of either of the currencies stated and they do not perform a physical conversion at the time of display. In fact, there's no evidence that they ever convert ANYTHING, while there is ample evidence to the contrary.

They operate in EUR but show the user a CAD balance, while the user's funds are actually USD. Are they ever going to convert more than the minimum in any direction? They've already shown their jewishness by sending out EUR checks for CAD requested transactions.

To be frank, they'd have to be crazy to not take the arbitrage opportunity that has fallen into their laps. Don't forget that they're a little bitty company and can't be trusted to not [censored] all over themselves. More to the point, they don't owe us anything, they aren't public, and there's no reason for them to do anything other than operate with vicious, naked self-interest. I wouldn't be surprised if C2P's holdings of CAD were exactly 0.

Besides, it's obvious that C2P's visa debit does not display a checking interface. That stuff costs money on their end to arrange. Without a checking interface, there's no balance inquiry. Go ahead and call them up if you want to know your balance. International rates apply.

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Can anyone confirm if a TD Visa will work to deposit to Party Poker? Specifically, I want to use the $US Visa, but if one works I imagine they all will. Thanks.

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They operate in EUR but show the user a CAD balance, while the user's funds are actually USD. Are they ever going to convert more than the minimum in any direction? They've already shown their jewishness by sending out EUR checks for CAD requested transactions.

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WTF??? Well, let's just skip that for now.

Can't answer too many of your concerns, the only thing I can confirm is their claim of no currency exchange moving money on and off sites. So far, I have found that to be the case...no vig taken.

I'm also not excited about their cashout process...this ATM card not showing a balance is a little disconcerting, as is the fact that they issue cheques in Euros. They may only be useful for transferring money back and forth to and from sites, not for cashing out...I'm awaiting a few more ATM card trip reports before I decide.

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Anyone know how much TD charges to cash checks issued in Euros?

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Has anyone cashed out via cheque from MB?

Will, nothing further on your C2P ATM card?

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went friday and still no money. Ill try again later tonight as well as tomorrow and tuesday, if im correct the 7th day is tuesday, so I really hope I have it by tuesday. Im still a little worried...

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still no money

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Moneybookers is no longer available to me as a withdrawal option from UB. Is this the same for the rest of you? (I'm Norwegain btw).

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When you add a credit card on Moneybookers, they deposit a small amount (1-2.99 euro) on your credit card. My CC is in CAN$, how can I know what amount was deposited in euro?

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When you add a credit card on Moneybookers, they deposit a small amount (1-2.99 euro) on your credit card. My CC is in CAN$, how can I know what amount was deposited in euro?

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You will have to wait to get your monthly cc statement in the mail to get that exact figure. That was the process used for the majority of people in the forum who used their CIBC and TD Visas.

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When you add a credit card on Moneybookers, they deposit a small amount (1-2.99 euro) on your credit card. My CC is in CAN$, how can I know what amount was deposited in euro?

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I just called my banks Visa and asked them what the USD charge was.

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Which sites have an EFT like Party/Empire?

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When you add a credit card on Moneybookers, they deposit a small amount (1-2.99 euro) on your credit card. My CC is in CAN$, how can I know what amount was deposited in euro?

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You will have to wait to get your monthly cc statement in the mail to get that exact figure. That was the process used for the majority of people in the forum who used their CIBC and TD Visas.

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Or, if you can access your CC statement online, it should be processed in 2-3 days. Much quicker than waiting around for your next statement.

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Bobo, were you able to withdraw to moneybookers from VegasPoker24/7 without depositing with mb first?

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Also, VegasPoker24/7 deposit options says that InstaDebit is for US-based customers only.

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Also, VegasPoker24/7 deposit options says that InstaDebit is for US-based customers only.

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I deposited $25 via Instadebit last week with no problem.

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Bobo, were you able to withdraw to moneybookers from VegasPoker24/7 without depositing with mb first?

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It's allowed me to, but I only made the request last night, so I'm still waiting on the money. Withdrew via Instadebit last night as well.

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So is it everyone consensus that Moneybookers is the best option post neteller era? I sent them a bank wire yesterday morning and it still hasn't shown up on my account with moneybookers. Is this normal? How long does it normally take to get $ from moneybookers to your account? I need my $ asap as I am buying a car on Tuesday...Errrrr....F U neteller [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Also, VegasPoker24/7 deposit options says that InstaDebit is for US-based customers only.

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I deposited $25 via Instadebit last week with no problem.

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Further to this, I just received my $50 cashout from VP247 back to my Instadebit account today, less than 24 hours from my cashout request. Just requested $25 back to my bank account so I can see what the difference in exchange rates is like.

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Moneybookers is no longer available to me as a withdrawal option from UB. Is this the same for the rest of you? (I'm Norwegain btw).

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I still have the option to w/d via MB.

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So I just had a ridiculous encounter with Instadebit. I asked both their online chat cs rep and a telephone cs rep about the verification deposit that was supposed to have been made to my bank account. This is clearly outlined on their website here, under the VERIFYING YOUR BANK ACCOUNT
Header. Both agents had no idea what I was talking about, and just kept saying 'we don't make verification deposits' until I pointed them to their own webpage which contradicted them. At this point I got the 'contact security@instadebit.com' schpiel.

I only care about verification because it's supposed to result in increased transaction limits. I'm supposed to get an email from a rep (one who'se hopefully in the know) tomorrow, I'll post back with a TR.

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I reran the numbers and it turned out that the Click2Pay euro checks are short by an immaterial amount. My confusion resulted from the euro falling over 300 basis points over the weeks in question.

The tiny amount unaccounted for in my calculations amount to approx 50 basis points and is almost certainly a service charge to cover postage and expenses.

Best case the money was short 20 CAD on a 3700 CAD transation. Worst case, 45 short. My best guess (I'm sick of working through the rates) is 50 basis points. Virtually all of the 0.022 difference was accounted for by the falling euro.

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It's allowed me to, but I only made the request last night, so I'm still waiting on the money. Withdrew via Instadebit last night as well.

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How much cover play did you do?

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It's allowed me to, but I only made the request last night, so I'm still waiting on the money. Withdrew via Instadebit last night as well.

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How much cover play did you do?

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Cleared the PSO bonus I was playing for...375 contributed raked hands.

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So is it everyone consensus that Moneybookers is the best option post neteller era? I sent them a bank wire yesterday morning and it still hasn't shown up on my account with moneybookers. Is this normal? How long does it normally take to get $ from moneybookers to your account? I need my $ asap as I am buying a car on Tuesday...Errrrr....F U neteller [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I've had wires to MB take about 3 business days. I've had wires from MB take about 3-7 business days.

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Crap, I am screwed then...thx for the help