FT200 bottom set is not the nuts
 

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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UTG: $279.05
Hero (BTN): $433.40
SB: $221.75
BB: $195

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

Flop: ($32) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20, SB calls $20, BB folds

Turn: ($92) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $60</font>, Hero calls $60, SB folds

River: ($212) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $100</font>, Hero ..?


UTG is "Unkle_Rukus", 19/15/3.0/1257 . Probably one of you.

The blinds are donkeys.


Hero calls or raises? He has $90 left.

Re: FT200 bottom set is not the nuts
 

Call

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call

why no turn raise?

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euh super easy shove why can't he valuebet worse? he's never folding a made hand when he gets like 90:300


Board: Tc 2h 9d Qc 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.429% 46.43% 00.00% 13 0.00 { QQ+, TT-99, AQs, KJs }
Hand 1: 53.571% 53.57% 00.00% 15 0.00 { 2c2s }

AQs = discounting AQ by a lot
and this is pretty much the absolute worst case scenario for us
KJs has to be discounted bc of preflop (and he might have QTs too if he plays KJs) and sets have to be discounted because imho he valuebets them harder

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Wow.. I understand the flop, but the turn? You underrepped your hand so I would at least call. Dunno what he calls with that we're beating if we raise, maybe QJ, maybe T9, but since we think we're good enough to call, we should probably shove.

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everything that bets the river that isn't a complete bluff is calling a shove wth

he will get 90:500 odds ..................

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Yeah that's what I started to think at the end of my post.

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Not raising flop or turn seems pretty bad. Every straight draw draws for free.

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On the turn there's 12 river cards you really don't want to see, so you should probably raise it. Shove river as played and stack T9/AA or whatever, he'll never fold a good hand for less than a minraise more after betting 1/2 pot.

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if you're gonna call the river you might as well shove. Turn raise is pretty automatic for me

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Bump to see if villain showed up with 44

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tbh nielso, i can't think of a person on this entire forum more intellectually dishonest than you.

just stating what your image is here

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tbh nielso, i can't think of a person on this entire forum more intellectually dishonest than you.

just stating what your image is here

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Re: FT200 bottom set is not the nuts
 

Whoa.

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From every post being about how you played it a hand in a non std way (yet brilliantly) to using your blog as a cite in politics forum... i just can't think of anyone else who pulls this kind of crap week in week out

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um, raise somewhere. this is so so gross. how could you ever think just calling the river would be ok? this guy raised UTG then fired 3 streets, his range includes all kinds of stuff you beat that isn't folding.

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euh super easy shove why can't he valuebet worse? he's never folding a made hand when he gets like 90:300


Board: Tc 2h 9d Qc 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.429% 46.43% 00.00% 13 0.00 { QQ+, TT-99, AQs, KJs }
Hand 1: 53.571% 53.57% 00.00% 15 0.00 { 2c2s }

AQs = discounting AQ by a lot
and this is pretty much the absolute worst case scenario for us
KJs has to be discounted bc of preflop (and he might have QTs too if he plays KJs) and sets have to be discounted because imho he valuebets them harder

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kaby - u want to be ahead of his CALLING RANGE more than 50%

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euh super easy shove why can't he valuebet worse? he's never folding a made hand when he gets like 90:300


Board: Tc 2h 9d Qc 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.429% 46.43% 00.00% 13 0.00 { QQ+, TT-99, AQs, KJs }
Hand 1: 53.571% 53.57% 00.00% 15 0.00 { 2c2s }

AQs = discounting AQ by a lot
and this is pretty much the absolute worst case scenario for us
KJs has to be discounted bc of preflop (and he might have QTs too if he plays KJs) and sets have to be discounted because imho he valuebets them harder

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kaby - u want to be ahead of his CALLING RANGE more than 50%

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everything that bets the river that isn't a complete bluff is calling a shove wth

he will get 90:500 odds ..................

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Shove the river... with that pot hes calling with a lot that you beat

Uncle R is one of the better players but will call to light on the river

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Bottom set is better than top set so SHOVE RIVER

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euh super easy shove why can't he valuebet worse? he's never folding a made hand when he gets like 90:300


Board: Tc 2h 9d Qc 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.429% 46.43% 00.00% 13 0.00 { QQ+, TT-99, AQs, KJs }
Hand 1: 53.571% 53.57% 00.00% 15 0.00 { 2c2s }

AQs = discounting AQ by a lot
and this is pretty much the absolute worst case scenario for us
KJs has to be discounted bc of preflop (and he might have QTs too if he plays KJs) and sets have to be discounted because imho he valuebets them harder

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kaby - u want to be ahead of his CALLING RANGE more than 50%

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everything that bets the river that isn't a complete bluff is calling a shove wth

he will get 90:500 odds ..................

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i thought KJ missed. i was just trying to point out a math thing.

i would obviously shove the river also.

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tbh nielso, i can't think of a person on this entire forum more intellectually dishonest than you.

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You seem to be in a not-good mood for someone who just engaged.

Thanks though.

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From every post being about how you played it a hand in a non std way (yet brilliantly) to using your blog as a cite in politics forum... i just can't think of anyone else who pulls this kind of crap week in week out

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What exactly are you referring to. Which blog and when?

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Bump to see if villain showed up with 44

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He had TT or 99, can't remember which.

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Did you call or shove?

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Did you call or shove?

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I called.

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This is pretty horribly played imo. What do you want us to tell you exactly? Raise the turn and call a push.

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tbh nielso, i can't think of a person on this entire forum more intellectually dishonest than you.

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You seem to be in a not-good mood for someone who just engaged.

Thanks though.

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Whenever anyone gives you criticism, they are always in a bad mood. It's never because they are just offering an honest opinion about how annoying your threads are.

Interesting.

Re: FT200 bottom set is not the nuts
 

nielsio i am interested in reading souls/becoming a superuser.

PM w/coaching rates

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please raise by the time its your turn on 4th street. you should probably raise river as played, i dont know if i ever get there like this though.

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tbh nielso, i can't think of a person on this entire forum more intellectually dishonest than you.



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pretty sure this is a savage burn, somebody wanna clarify exactly what it means?/

Re: FT200 bottom set is not the nuts
 

raise flop.

If not, raise turn.

If not, raise river.

Re: FT200 bottom set is not the nuts
 

Nielsio you are a nit so Villain probably tripple barrels enough for you to call. Raise turn FFS though.

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anybody else find it amusing that villain bet less than 1/2 pot on river with 2nd set vs. nielsio?

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Unkle Rukus Is SO damn good, no matter what you do, he will stack you here. IF you shove, he has a set. If you fold, he has air. If you call, then its probably a straight, so just shove river and embrace it!

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Unkle Rukus Is SO damn good, no matter what you do, he will stack you here. IF you shove, he has a set. If you fold, he has air. If you call, then its probably a straight, so just shove river and embrace it!

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UR is kinda meh