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Henrix1970 08-30-2007 11:12 AM

NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($34.60)
BB ($110.70)
UTG ($41.60)
MP ($29.05)
Hero ($91.75)
Button ($38.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/as.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif.
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $1.5</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $4.5</font>, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, BB calls $4, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($13.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/4s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6h.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $13</font>, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $106.2</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $74.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($188.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2h.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($188.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $188.25

Can I call this raise? Especially with a deep stack. But after raise and reraise Preflop I could not think that Villian has 44-66 or any 2 pair. So I think he could be on a high pocketpairs.

KCrow 08-30-2007 11:19 AM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
Call and expect to see lots of over pairs and every once in a while a set.

Henrix1970 08-30-2007 12:26 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
Thank you

jeccross 08-30-2007 12:29 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
Not many people make a huge push like that with a set, think it's an easy call.

Done like Dinner 08-30-2007 12:30 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
It really isnt that deep and you gotta go. I would suggest bigger raise pre but most players dont like speed playing there aa or kks. That way u squeeze out 88 and lower pps for some players.

ReptileHouse 08-30-2007 01:28 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
I like raising to 5-6 preflop, especially at these stakes and being a bit deeper.

BB cold-calling the 3bet is usually AK or 99+. It's possible, but unlikely, that he has 44-66 or a suited connector.

When he check raise overbets the flop, it's less likely that he has a set. Most people really don't like to fastplay sets like that, especially against a likely overpair in a 3bet pot. This feels like JJ/QQ looking to snap off the CB and protect against AK.

I call and feel good about it. No matter what he has, I make a note about it and how he played it.

SootedPower 08-30-2007 01:32 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
LOL.

Bet less on flop. As played, fold.


His range is heavily tilted towards combo draws and better made hands. You are rarely way ahead and often way behind.

ReptileHouse 08-30-2007 01:36 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
[ QUOTE ]
His range is heavily tilted towards combo draws and better made hands. You are rarely way ahead and often way behind.

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This is a re-raised pot. Villain cold-called out of the big blind.

SootedPower 08-30-2007 01:44 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
1) Hero made a ghey reraise
2) Villain cold-called because effective stacks were 200 BB's deep
3) If Hero's ghey raise makes me suspect that villain probably correctly put villain on a big pocket pair. Ghey raises like that usually come from TAG's who don't repop a wide enough range and don't understand implied odds.

johnnypokeher 08-30-2007 02:02 PM

Re: NL50 Deepstacked Call push with AA on Flop?
 
[ QUOTE ]
LOL.

Bet less on flop. As played, fold.


His range is heavily tilted towards combo draws and better made hands. You are rarely way ahead and often way behind.

[/ QUOTE ]

----Edited to read: This advice is ghey, and oh so weak-tight. This poster is giving villain way too wide a range.

I think you played this fine. Combo draw in a 4bet pot while he is oop is unlikely. And the only better made hand you have to fear is a set, and I dont think hed play it that fast on this board. Although its possible, I think its more possible he plays an overpair like this

I call and expect to see overpairs a lot or sets (less likely) as another poster suggested


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