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LouisCyphre 10-24-2007 08:43 AM

(NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
Villain is a solid regular(21.5/9.7/1/5000)

Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00/$4.00 (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

MP1 ($353.10) (Hero)
MP2 ($506.80)
MP3 ($396.00)
CO ($348.48)
Button ($68.00)
SB ($391.00)
BB ($414.60)
UTG+1 ($162.10)
UTG+2 ($400.00)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 16.0</font>, MP2 calls $16.00, MP3 calls $16.00, CO calls $16.00, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>,

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $70 )
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $70.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP3 calls $70.00, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( $210 )

Hero ???


After his flop call I believe his range can be "narrowed" down to 44+,54s+ and combo draws like As7s. To call the pot-sized flop bet in a multiway pot he most definitely has some kind of hand he likes.

How do I proceed on the turn and river? What about my flop play? Especially how do I protect my hand against draws while avoiding to pay off sets?

JeffM 10-24-2007 11:33 AM

Re: (NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
this looks like a bet/fold situation all day to me. like $150 should tell you what you need to know. I don't think you're correct on the hand range of this player as I believe it is much wider. This type of player would almost CERTAINLY raise sets, two pairs and probably A7s as well. I think his range is more like Axs, 77-10s, maybe 67. Checking this turn to fold is very bad.

VictorEnriq 10-24-2007 11:36 AM

Re: (NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
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this looks like a bet/fold situation all day to me. like $150 should tell you what you need to know. I don't think you're correct on the hand range of this player as I believe it is much wider. This type of player would almost CERTAINLY raise sets, two pairs and probably A7s as well. I think his range is more like Axs, 77-10s, maybe 67. Checking this turn to fold is very bad.

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Absolutely. QFT

JeffM 10-24-2007 11:39 AM

Re: (NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
What does QFT mean? People say it a lot on here.

rand 10-24-2007 11:43 AM

Re: (NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
Quoted For Truth

and im not a full ring guy but i still gotta believe that big combo draws and sets raise the flop

i wouldnt quite pot the flop bc then it looks weird when you dont pot turn, and i dont want to be potting turn with this hand

proly 55 on the flop and 125 or so on the turn

FireStorm 10-24-2007 11:43 AM

Re: (NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
Quoted For Truth.

Bet/Fold the turn is good.

Ever consider limp/raising in this spot?

LouisCyphre 10-24-2007 11:46 AM

Re: (NL400) Turn play: I\'m always lost lost in these spots
 
QFT = quoted for truth

He will put me on TT+,two pair/set or a flush draw.
I don't think this particular player would even call the flop with 88-TT in this multiway pot. I think he is good enough to know that he is way behind my range with these hands.
I think he might maybe fold 77 as well as each of his outs puts a 4 straight on the board and he will have trouble getting paid off.


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