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Wolfram 11-20-2007 06:41 PM

I got the ace, what have they got?
 
Is this an easy value-bet or should I check/call? What's the likelihood that my hand is best here?

Btn: 34/10/2.2
BB: 50/17.6/0.71

Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Btn coldcalls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets, Btn calls, BB calls

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets, Btn calls, BB calls

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero?

ZOMG_RIGGED! 11-20-2007 06:46 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
Btn is too agressive to be calling down with an ace yes?

I think a WTSD number would be good here. You have BTN beat unless he made two pair, but is either of these players gon to call you with a K on the river?

Sushiglutton 11-20-2007 06:46 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
I would bet. BB seems loose and will surely pay off with Kx, maybe even worse. I think you will often chop to an Ax.

djmeehan 11-20-2007 06:47 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
Muck this preflop from the hijack, but considering you got to the river against a calling station and another loose player I would bet for value. Don't be surprised when you get paid off by KTs and 33's.

milesdyson 11-20-2007 06:47 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
i despise little offsuit aces in the hijack. the river is a bet. yeah you don't have a kicker but only A9/AT/AJ do and AT/AJ 3-bet preflop at least sometimes. so there is a decent chance you get two calls out of kings or a call from a king and then one from QJ/QT or QsXs.

ZOMG_RIGGED! 11-20-2007 06:47 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
If we think we're chopping to the button whats the point in betting? Wouldnt we be better of to check and see if the over agro Button takes a stab?

milesdyson 11-20-2007 06:48 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
[ QUOTE ]
If we think we're chopping to the button whats the point in betting? Wouldnt we be better of to check and see if the over agro Button takes a stab?

[/ QUOTE ]
i'd never call those stats "over agro"

anyway if you don't bet you can't get called by Kx. and Kx is not too likely to bet 3-way when you check on this board.

ZOMG_RIGGED! 11-20-2007 06:51 PM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
Do many 2.2 Af players just call threw the river with a better ace?

I agree that we should bet but an othe rposter said he thinks we're chopping to the BB. If thats the case and the btn obv. doesnt have us beat I was asking if it was better to check

inferno 11-21-2007 05:27 AM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
yesbet

Oink 11-21-2007 05:31 AM

Re: I got the ace, what have they got?
 
I play this hand in a low rake game if and only if I dont have loose players righte to my left

In a high rake game I never play it


River is a bet but you knew that

@ZOMG_RIGGED

His postflop AF is prolly not converged yet. Unless OP has 1000+ hands on him we cant really be sure its not 1.4 or 3 or whatever. Its a crap stat that takes too long to converge and people should stop using it.


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