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loosbastard 11-06-2007 03:20 AM

So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
OK it was actually a mis-click...but let's say it was intentional. Villain is unknown.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $186.40
SB: $58.25
BB: $155.60
UTG: $145.35
MP: $37.25
Hero (CO): $98

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $3.50</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $88.50 and is All-In</font>

Paul McSwizzle 11-06-2007 03:22 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
Why shove the turn? Is he going to call with KQ? That is the only hand I can see him calling with that you beat...

thac 11-06-2007 03:23 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
I'd generally raise flop, but I like this, it looks a lot like a draw.

Paul McSwizzle 11-06-2007 03:24 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
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I'd generally raise flop, but I like this, it looks a lot like a draw.

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Ah, good point. So villain is calling it when he is way behind usually?

thac 11-06-2007 03:27 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
It's just that I'm guessing loos doesn't flat with draws here, so we should be playing our disguised tptks like this too.

loosbastard 11-06-2007 03:34 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
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I'd generally raise flop, but I like this, it looks a lot like a draw.

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I considered raising flop, but on this board if the money goes in there I'm usually up against KJ,JJ/33,draws with boat loads of equity, and occasionally KQ/KT. I figured by raising turn, I can rep a draw myself, and get it in w/ a little better equity against any draw he feels like gambling it up w/.

Bigmoney 11-06-2007 04:59 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
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I'd generally raise flop, but I like this, it looks a lot like a draw.

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I considered raising flop, but on this board if the money goes in there I'm usually up against KJ,JJ/33,draws with boat loads of equity, and occasionally KQ/KT. I figured by raising turn, I can rep a draw myself, and get it in w/ a little better equity against any draw he feels like gambling it up w/.

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looks good

you can also call and let him hang himself on the river

SABR42 11-06-2007 05:06 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
I prefer to raise flop rather than turn. As played I think I'd call again.

Dire 11-06-2007 05:06 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
This is one of the few spots I like taking the passive c/c c/c c/c lines. He will value bet KQ all the way down, may double barrel (or even triple) since there's alot of mediocre made hands/draws you could have, etc..

Check raising pretty much sucks. Alot of your value comes from him getting overaggro with worse hands. You don't want to push him off his hands and he's rarely going to be willing to get it in with worse.

cs3 11-06-2007 09:31 AM

Re: So I try the cold-call w/ AK thing...
 
meh, i think flop raise is &gt; turn raise.
on the flop hes way more likely to put you on a draw and call a raise with weaker Kx becasue he never puts you on AK. on the turn i think your hand actually looks more like a set (33/77/JJ) than any draw, and i dont think he calls that shove unless he has AA/KJ+ (and youre toast), maaaaybe AQhh/A3hh will call, but that a pretty tiny part of his range.

but i really dont think draws are a very signifigant part of villains range, so since you called the flop i just call the turn as well, and raise most rivers, or bet hard if checked to.


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