River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

no real reads here. i dont play PLO much but i understand the basics. its more of a change of pace game for me. anyone calling this river bet?


Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $49.75
UTG+1: $100
CO: $277.50
Hero: $295.90
SB: $108.10
BB: $94

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $3</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3.75</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($15, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $29</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $113</font>, CO calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($241, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">CO is all-in $168.75</font>.

Hero??????

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

he could very well have the same hand here. But I still fold, both draws got there on the river and he was staying in the pot for a reason. That reason is that he had some way of winning so I would expect him to have improved.

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

bet more on the flop. I'd fold river.

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

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bet more on the flop. I'd fold river.

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Flop bet is absolutely fine. You have nothing to fear on that flop. Get some value out of your opponent.

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he could very well have the same hand here. But I still fold, both draws got there on the river and he was staying in the pot for a reason. That reason is that he had some way of winning so I would expect him to have improved.

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Agree

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Flop bet is absolutely fine. You have nothing to fear on that flop. Get some value out of your opponent.

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You get more value if you bet more.
If you have the need to bet less to get 67 or A8xx to call once feel free but nothing thats calling the flop isnt gonna fold for a pot anyway.

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Flop bet is absolutely fine. You have nothing to fear on that flop. Get some value out of your opponent.

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You get more value if you bet more.

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Not necessarily. It's unlikely you will get raised if you bet the pot. People are unlikely to bluff you if you bet strong, plus your opponent will fold marginal hands he would otherwise call with, such as gutshot straights, overpairs with 2 backdoor flush draws and bottom 2.
When I bet this flop, i'm looking for my opponents to raise, not call, which they will if they sense weakness and have a medium strength hand such as top 2, a set or the higher straight wrap.
If the guy has absolutely nothing, he is folding in both cases.

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

I've long ago given up on trying to bet to induce bluff raises or bad value raises.

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

Meh, given stack sizes, I can't see villain raising this flop without a straight or good blockers no matter how much we bet. I think our best play is just to bet the pot and go for full value.

Re: River scare card hits and villain shoves.
 

I think you can fold the river, his line looks very fishy whatever it is but it is hard for him to have nothing. I do like betting more on the flop, you are going to get called light 10x more often than you get raised light, and you can get called by some hands which are drawing almost dead.