20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

4-bet or shove? I have no idea about villain other than that he is German (which generally but of course not always, means he is horrible).

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UTG (t1890)
<font color="#C00000">Everlong (t1810)</font>
MP1 (t1530)
MP2 (t1390)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t2440)</font>
Button (t2510)
SB (t1400)
BB (t1050)

Preflop: Everlong is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Everlong raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Everlong ?

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

I'm not sure, but I think 4-bet &gt; Shove &gt; Call

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

Everlong raises to 550, I think that leaves the best stack size for a flop bet if he just calls preflop.

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

I like a raise to around 600, even though if he's smart he knows we're probably playing for stacks here... But that raise looks pretty confident to me, so I'm just raising here...

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

I get it all in here. Probably a leak.

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

Call and bet/3bet the flop.

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

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he is German (which generally but of course not always, means he is horrible).


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the opposite is true

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

If I've been on a table with villain for a bit and seen many reraises pf or shown down A rag a bit, I would call and bet out 150 on the flop no matter what hits, calling a push of course if things look good. Otherwise, a reraise or push seems pretty standard.

Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

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Call and bet/3bet the flop.

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Re: 20/180 - basic KK pf question (no I am not considering folding)
 

care to elaborate on why
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Call and bet/3bet the flop.

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is the preferred move?

We don't want to fold out worse potential overpairs pf?


and yeah btw;
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he is German (which generally but of course not always, means he is horrible).


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the opposite is true

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you mean: he is horrible (which generally but of course not always, means he is German)???