AK pf, 4 bet shoved into by tag
 

No HH for this one but here is the hand:
Stars 100nl
Villian is MP, opens to $4. I am button, raise to $14 with AKs

Villian pushes. (we both have $100 to start hand)

Reads: 1st time we played a hand this session, he was on a couple of my tables, 20/18 stats over a few hundred hands.

Your play?

Re: AK pf, 4 bet shoved into by tag
 

calls ?

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is that the common play to call the 4 bet shove with AK pf?

Re: AK pf, 4 bet shoved into by tag
 

VS a 20/18 with no specific reads I snap call, but that's with my image.

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I think its better to be the aggressor in this spot. Obv greater +EV with the FE when getting it in first. A fold isn't out of the question.

I think your rarely a big fav in this spot by calling with AK.

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VS a 20/18 with no specific reads I snap call, but that's with my image.

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What image are you trying to portray calling and all in shove with AKs?

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He means his image makes it possible for him to profitably call. If you're a nit then calling this shove is the most horrible play possible. If you're a raving 60/40 maniac then this is a snap call. Some where in between is the image point where it becomes profitable and where it becomes spew.

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I think its better to be the aggressor in this spot.

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Well, I think it's better to have aces in this spot, but that's not what happened.

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I think your rarely a big fav in this spot by calling with AK.

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"You're", and we don't have to be.

Re: AK pf, 4 bet shoved into by tag
 

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.096% 38.81% 19.28% 55825068 27736416.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 41.904% 22.62% 19.28% 32535636 27736416.00 { AKs }

Villain probably isn't pushing worse than QQ+,AKs,AKo here.

It's close, but you need 42.68% (86/201.5) equity to call vs. that range, and you don't have it, so fold.

Actually you'd need 43.325% (86/198.5) assuming $3 rake. So it's still (barely) a fold vs. JJ+,AKs,AKo too. (You have 42.806% in that case.)

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.096% 38.81% 19.28% 55825068 27736416.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 41.904% 22.62% 19.28% 32535636 27736416.00 { AKs }

Villain probably isn't pushing worse than QQ+,AKs,AKo here.

It's close, but you need 42.68% (86/201.5) equity to call vs. that range, and you don't have it, so fold.

Actually you'd need 43.325% (86/198.5) assuming $3 rake. So it's still (barely) a fold vs. JJ+,AKs,AKo too.


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It's reasonable to discount AA and, to some extent KK, because many people are less likely to push them rather than 4-betting smaller or flat-calling and trapping. Unless they are leveling.

And he's gonna have something stupid every now and then.

It's pretty close, really, and just a matter of making some sort of reasonable read and going with it.