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Daliman 11-30-2007 05:37 PM

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i'd check the river. not that i dont think you're ahead, but i dont think you're ahead 50% when called.

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no vbet w/ nutflush?. QQ unlikely, A6 wont check riv, A3 played wierd.

i play ssnl, and would almost always vbet this...wrong??

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You misread, he doesn't have nut flush, just has Ace of spades. Obv vbet if nut flush.

TheWorstPlayer 11-30-2007 06:06 PM

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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian.

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It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do.


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What's the question? That dry a board and we're gonna just assume a mostly ABC player is gonna bluff us off an obv good ace by 4 betting a dry flop? Again, not saying it's the best line, just saying it has it's merits at times.

At least post what the question is, it's not like my statement is that strange, and if you think it is, say why.

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well if i think he's not going to call with worse or 4-bet bluff, that i dont see any reason at all to 3-bet. if i'm 3-betting here, it's exactly because i want more action. not to find out if i'm beat or not. from my perspective, AK is pretty darn close to the nuts on this flop. i'll do whatever i can to get as much money in the pot as i can (within reason).

Daliman 11-30-2007 07:33 PM

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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian.

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It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do.


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What's the question? That dry a board and we're gonna just assume a mostly ABC player is gonna bluff us off an obv good ace by 4 betting a dry flop? Again, not saying it's the best line, just saying it has it's merits at times.

At least post what the question is, it's not like my statement is that strange, and if you think it is, say why.

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well if i think he's not going to call with worse or 4-bet bluff, that i dont see any reason at all to 3-bet. if i'm 3-betting here, it's exactly because i want more action. not to find out if i'm beat or not. from my perspective, AK is pretty darn close to the nuts on this flop. i'll do whatever i can to get as much money in the pot as i can (within reason).

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Well then you can easily also say you are just getting more $$$ in the pot, as lots won't fold AQ/AJ here. With HU play, most anything you can throw people off with and also gain info about their play is +EV for me.

TheWorstPlayer 12-01-2007 01:55 PM

Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
 
agree. that's why i was confused when you said the reason was 'getting information about his hand'. since that's maybe number 5 on the reasons why i would be doing it. yet you didnt mention reasons 1-4 at all.

Ansky 12-01-2007 08:31 PM

Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
 
ok so i bet 7100 he shoves for 15k

Jason Strasser (strassa2) 12-02-2007 03:25 AM

Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
 
i guess id check turn usually
meh
its dumb logic i guess, because everyone CR's the river these days
game is so different

but id say in the old days that if the entire stack goes in on the turn here you are [censored] and its unlikely he has so many hands that will go check-call check-all in- call
which is the only reason to bet
but if you check behind turn, he can still CR river
which was never in play before
because no one did that
so why even bother with the pot control argument

the only real benefit to checking turn is that you maximize bluff equity.... especially if you are folding to a turn CR

Jw513 12-02-2007 05:02 AM

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ok so i bet 7100 he shoves for 15k

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Can you really fold now with 32k-ish in pot?

Ansky 12-02-2007 05:07 AM

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ok so i bet 7100 he shoves for 15k

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Can you really fold now with 32k-ish in pot?

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why not?

bap2086 12-02-2007 05:14 AM

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hand is like 2 sick to be real


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