I fold trips on the river
 

Villain is a TAG from what I've observed in 15 minutes at the table and hasn't gotten very out of line.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

I usually just call preflop.

As played, donk call the river.

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

Well, you were probably beat.

I'm not sure about the river checkraise. I mean, if Villain has an ace it's probably better than yours, and if he doesn't, then, well, you're counting on him to value bet a likely underpair and then call a checkraise with it. And I suppose that might be what he'll do if he has exactly KK, but I think there's a good chance JJ and TT are going to check behind. And, actually, it's possible KK will as well.

So I prefer a river bet-call.

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

You can't fold on the river. Remember a bad call only costs one bet while a bad fold costs you an entire pot.

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You can't fold on the river. Remember a bad call only costs one bet while a bad fold costs you an entire pot.

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Lol

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I'm not sure about the river checkraise.

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You can't fold on the river. Remember a bad call only costs one bet while a bad fold costs you an entire pot.


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this is such terrible advice. maybe not for this hand, but in general.

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

I join the c/c, c/c, b/c postflop line group.

Looks like you're wa/wb here. No need to push KK, JJ, TT, KQ out of the pot if he's willing to bet them for you. Donk on the river to avoid giving a free card.

River c/r - fold doesn't make much sense like it's been mentioned here.


I don't mind a 3bet preflop from BB vs a HJ TAG openraise. Thin probably, but still ok.

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

On the river you have about 45-55% equity vs a reasonable MP bet/capping range. You don't want to give a free showdown but you'd prefer to get only 1 bet in there since 2 bets usually means you're beat. Getting 3bet is a major disaster though because you put in 2 bets and don't even get to see a showdown (there's a slim chance he has AJs).

Just c/c, c/c, b/c.

Edit: I've been thinking this might even be a c/c on the river. If our equity never manages to reach even 60%, then a bet loses money for us given that he'll instaraise any hand that beats us.

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

I'm not liking the river check/raise. I think bet/call is the right move.

Everything up to there is pretty standard IMO.

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You can't fold on the river. Remember a bad call only costs one bet while a bad fold costs you an entire pot.


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this is such terrible advice. maybe not for this hand, but in general.

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Actually it's great advice offered by both Stoxtrader and Sklanksy, there is a simple mathematical approach to this concept though and it's determining what perecent of the time you are certainly beaten over the odds the pot is offereing. In this case you'd have to be close to 92% sure you are beat given the size of the pot to lay this down for one bet, which I don't think you can be. It certainly looks like you are beat here but you only have to win this situation less than one time in 10 to come out ahead.

I know you said that this advice isnt terrible for this hand, but only in general. I agree it's better to save bets when you know you are beat but donating one bet when losing is a much much less costly error than folding the best hand for a medium or large pot.

Re: I fold trips on the river
 

You actually beat nothing, but I can never fold here because I'm a showdown monkey.

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You actually beat some hands, but I can never fold here because I'm a showdown monkey.

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I know you said that this advice isnt terrible for this hand, but only in general. I agree it's better to save bets when you know you are beat but donating one bet when losing is a much much less costly error than folding the best hand for a medium or large pot.

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in live play against many players you can be almost 100% sure you are beat many times.

dont pay off.

on the other hand, in some aggressive online games im often not sure that ace high is beat even 50%. ive called correctly before with queen high.

if you never fold a pair on the river for one bet, however, you are seriously leaking.

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In this case you'd have to be close to 92% sure you are beat given the size of the pot to lay this down for one bet, which I don't think you can be. It certainly looks like you are beat here but you only have to win this situation less than one time in 10 to come out ahead.



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Translation: I'm too scared to lose a decent size pot and too lazy to try to figure out if the odds of my calling are better or worse than what the pot is offering me.

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You can't fold on the river. Remember a bad call only costs one bet while a bad fold costs you an entire pot.

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You do realize that in the long run calling or folding a pot this size for one bet when you are very likely beaten only earns you or costs you a fraction of a single bet?

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bet/call is better, u cannot fold trips on this board getting these odds, you are def good enough of the time for a call to be +EV

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In this case you'd have to be close to 92% sure you are beat given the size of the pot to lay this down for one bet, which I don't think you can be. It certainly looks like you are beat here but you only have to win this situation less than one time in 10 to come out ahead.



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Translation: I'm too scared to lose a decent size pot and too lazy to try to figure out if the odds of my calling are better or worse than what the pot is offering me.

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Not at all, in fact figuring out the odds the pot is offereing you to the certainty that you are beaten is exactly what my post was about in the first place. Though it certainly looks like you are beaten are you not good in this spot 8.1% (assuming my rough 92% po calculation) of the time? If so call, if not fold. In this case it seems like an easy call considering any Ax will most likely raise river thinking they are good.

Someone with more experience please correct what I'm saying (preferably politely) if I am way off so that I can understand the error of my ways, but this is a concept I find alot of truth in.