Standard turn bet?
 

No real read on villian except I've seen him do nothing but open limp, call bets, and check so I'm assuming he's super LP.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets...</font>

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If he peels the flop and folds the turn UI, then I think its good. Seeing how he is unlikely to raise the turn, what's your plan if he does call and the river is a brick?

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Not doubt you bet the turn here. Mike from Penn Ave

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If he peels the flop and folds the turn UI, then I think its good. Seeing how he is unlikely to raise the turn, what's your plan if he does call and the river is a brick?


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check/fold the river

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Not doubt you bet the turn here. Mike from Penn Ave

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Good to see ya post somethin!


I guess the point of my post was that a super loose passive is never going to fold a better hand, I might get a free card when I am behind, and if he has air he's never bluffing and now has even less outs. Any thoughts on a turn check?

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Good points, but don't forget all the times he calls with a worse hand and checks behind on the river. If he's got 3-6 outs he's calling incorrectly, a super-loose opponent will be behind often here, and a super-passive opponent will check through the river more often than an unknown as well.

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I wouldn't usually bet this turn.

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id check call the turn and check fold the river

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yep id check call turn

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To paraphrase Vehn, only good things can happen when you bet and only bad things can happen when you check.

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definately bet the turn. i'm surprised that no one has suggested that you may also be ahead. certainly villain's range includes 34, 45, Jxc and below.

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yeah, I definitely bet the turn.

if you don't improve, easiest check/fold ever.

if you do improve (at all), easiest bet/fold ever.

ps: obv dont fold a flush

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Getting him to lay down K-x here is pretty cool, isn't it? Would he never fold those either? I like a bet for this reason, but it's not like it's a huge pot. If you think you'll play with him for awhile, finding out if he's capable of peeling flop/folding turn could be worthwhile.

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i'm surprised that no one has suggested that you may also be ahead.

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Good points, but don't forget all the times he calls with a worse hand

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A player like this will call the flop with anything, you can't assume he has a better hand than you.

You need to bet. It can be frustrating if you check his stats and his fold to turn bet pct is 10%, it almost seems pointless. But this is actually a value bet half the time. Plus you probably have outs with your Q and J, not to mention your flush draw. (I'd probably bet here without the flush draw)

If you're actually behind and villain has some hand like 56, you still have outs. If villain has a 2, even a loose passive raises here, and you can count your outs to the flush to see if its worth calling. If villain is holding a weak ace he will call to the river, you'll just have to suck it up in that case.

The river is a tougher decision. Most of the time if another blank hits you can check and villain will check behind (mostly with junk, but sometimes even with a small pair). Obviously you can't bet since you'll only be called by a better hand. Judging by the villains description, I'd go for a check/fold. This type of player is unlikely to bet with nothing on the river.

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He limped UTG, please be serious, this guy has a worse hand than you hardly ever unless he has a club flush draw and then you are getting a free card a lot of the time anyway.

Against this opponent, definitely check.

And this :

"only good things can happen when you bet and only bad things can happen when you check"

This is completely wrong, if you bet you can get raised, if you check you can get a free card. You may get called by a bad hand, or if you check have to put in a bet that he would have just called anyway (e.g. only 1 bet) but having to ONLY pay one bet or no bets is far superior to having to pay at least one and possibly 2.

People here are saying "bet it's for value" well the thing is that he won't call with 78 again, he can't hit runner clubs anymore or runner straight. If he does have 78 he will often check/ check but the 7 of hearts may come down and you will win a bet from him when he would have folded.

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He limped UTG, please be serious, this guy has a worse hand than you hardly ever unless he has a club flush draw and then you are getting a free card a lot of the time anyway.

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Do you think your standard LP player (think 60/5/0.5) cares that he's UTG? Do you think he thinks about position? If he had any knowledge of the game he wouldnt have limped UTG in the first place.

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He limped UTG, please be serious, this guy has a worse hand than you hardly ever unless he has a club flush draw and then you are getting a free card a lot of the time anyway.

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Do you think your standard LP player (think 60/5/0.5) cares that he's UTG? Do you think he thinks about position? If he had any knowledge of the game he wouldnt have limped UTG in the first place.

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nope but I dont see them calling 78 on A26 board vs pfr on the turn that often either.

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It's really not that simple for those of you saying bet because only good things happen.

For those of you advocating how nice it is to fold kx here, that's great and that's true, but... he doesn't have it. Given the board texture, we are behind an astounding percentage of the time and he's not folding of of those hands to a bet.

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Against this opponent, definitely check.


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If he checks behind on the turn, do you c/c or c/f a blank river?

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c/f is what I'd do.

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FWIW, the river is fairly simple and jba nailed it on the head.

b/f if you improve, c/f if you don't. Even if the river is a Q. When you check and he bets you're still a gigantic dog to be ahead against a LP, where as if you bet you get called by all kinds of worse crap and its an easy fold to a raise. Sometimes these guys even call with hands like 7-high just to "see what you have."