3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

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Hero (t15265)
UTG+1 (t33525)
MP1 (t17310)
MP2 (t2210)
MP3 (t5435)
CO (t9180)
Button (t19820)
SB (t14050)
BB (t14940)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t600</font>, UTG+1 calls t600, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t1500) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t1000</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to t32925 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">Hero ?</font>

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

This is why you don't raise A8o UTG let alone play it all. Fold, you're behind probably 90% of the time.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

I would call and start up another tourny. An almost exact same situation happened to me a few months back with the only differences being the positions at the table. When I called, I fully expected to be starting up another tourny, but just couldn't find a reason why a better hand than mine would make this play, so I called. The donkey had K6o and I doubled up.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

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This is why you don't raise A8o UTG let alone play it all. Fold, you're behind probably 90% of the time.

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I totally diagree. So many rebuy players don't change gears and will do this with crap. I would fully expect to see an Ax or even Kx. I completely disregard his hand as being AK or KK. KK being more likely, since he might fear being outboated on a later street, but AK is not going to discourage action. If villain has Ax and x is larger than 8, you still have a good chance that you will be splitting pot. I think worst case scenario here would be a coin flip with villain having somthing like JT of clubs and having 12 outs to his flush and gutshot.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

i did fold, but i kinda regret it.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

Im thinking he has a weak ace or a K here....who wouldn't try to get more money out of their hand here if he did have the nuts- allin with 30k seems crazy- unless he's one step ahead of u.

But your raise PF sucks. Sorry.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

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Im thinking he has a weak ace or a K here....who wouldn't try to get more money out of their hand here if he did have the nuts- allin with 30k seems crazy- unless he's one step ahead of u.

But your raise PF sucks. Sorry.

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I agree, preflop sucks. UTG, yuck. LP, fine.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

fold PF.
I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER FOLD THIS FLOP. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

I don't think many people bet 10 times the pot when they want a call. I call and expect to see Kx, a lower pair, or a flush draw.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

I agree that you shouldn't raise preflop here from that position.

And don't fold postflop unless you have a real good read on the raiser. I think the general high donkey factor in the $3 rebuy mandates a call without a read.

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

He cold-called me preflop. So I guess I put him on A9-AK

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

I would definately fold this UTG, but since you didn't I think you have to call here. IMO there is a good chance he is on a flush draw, has a king, a smaller pair, or is outright bluffing (he may have thought from previous betting that you would check here). It is unlikely that he has AK and is doing some high level thinking. If he does have an ace either:

you have him outkicked (less likely)
he has you outkicked and you may split the pot

Re: 3,30+R 10K Stars - Call or not ?
 

It's a clear pre-flop fold.

But now that you've gotten yourself in this spot, ask yourself what sort of flop are you hoping to hit? You're hoping to hit an ace right? If you're going to play this pre-flop you have to call now. If you're beaten tough luck and maybe it'll teach you to fold A8 utg next time.