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SoCalRugger 03-12-2006 12:53 AM

Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
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I was playing 5/10 full before deciding to switch exclusively to 6-max. Here's my first 12k hands. I figure if everything's still going well, I'll move up to 3/6 around 20k, but I'd like to get some input on what I need to work on before then.

So from what I can tell, my problems are the following:

- VP$IP too low by a couple points
- PFR too low by a couple points
- Need to defend SB a bit more, although maybe not at 3/6 with a 1/3 structure?
- Go to showdown a bit more

Agree/disagree? Missing anything? Everything else looks reasonable to me, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Thanks.

SoCalRugger 03-12-2006 08:20 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
No comments? Does this mean I've got no leaks and I'm ready to head over to UB for the 300/600?

Guruman 03-12-2006 08:32 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
yep.

ivo 03-12-2006 08:38 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
Can u tell me why your
Att.To Steal Blinds
at 2/4 is 35% but at 1/2 is 30%?

ArturiusX 03-12-2006 08:41 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
Too tight, not going to a showdown enough, not stealing enough, not defending enough.

Kwaz 03-12-2006 09:28 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
Holy [censored]. These look like my full ring stats.

silencio 03-12-2006 09:28 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
I have a general question about the W$WSF stat. Every time this is less than 40 I categorize this session as a bad one (from a luck point of view). However in OP's stats he seems to be winning nicely while having a low (by my standards) W$WSF%.

What exactly is the significance of this stat besides the strength of your average flop?

SoCalRugger 03-12-2006 09:46 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
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Holy [censored]. These look like my full ring stats.

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I'm basically going by that starting hand chart that's in Wookie's Stats post which I thought was supposed to give acceptable VPIP/PFR numbers, but apparently not. I guess I need to start raising hands that the chart says to fold after 1-2 limpers, like Ax, K9s, KT, QJ. Like I said, I think these are my two biggest leaks.

SoCalRugger 03-12-2006 10:14 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
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Too tight, not going to a showdown enough, not stealing enough, not defending enough.

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I thought a steal percentage around 30-35% was reasonable. No?

Also, you mean not defending the small blind enough? Or both? 'cause I thought my Folded BB to Steal percentage was ok.

siccjay 03-12-2006 10:51 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
I think your SB % is ok but the BB % is a little off. I think 45-50 is standard.

MrWookie 03-12-2006 11:28 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
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Holy [censored]. These look like my full ring stats.

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I'm basically going by that starting hand chart that's in Wookie's Stats post which I thought was supposed to give acceptable VPIP/PFR numbers, but apparently not. I guess I need to start raising hands that the chart says to fold after 1-2 limpers, like Ax, K9s, KT, QJ. Like I said, I think these are my two biggest leaks.

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That guide, while great for beginners, is, well, for beginners. As you get more comfortable, what you should really start taking advantage of is rasing to isolate. Try and sit behind bad players, and raise behind their limps with slightly more marginal hands than you're used to. Take the better hands from the set that you'd raise if it was folded to you, but that you're folding with the one bad limper. I'm glad to see your stealing expanding from 1/2 to 2/4. You can open that up a little more even. I should probably update my stats post to say that a reasonable upper bound on stealing is 45-50%, not 40%, as it currently reads.

OTOH, don't let anyone say that playing w/ these stats is a big leak. You're a little tight. You're passing up some profitable situations. But just because raising QJo after a bad limper is profitable doesn't mean that folding it is a 1 BB mistake or something crazy like that.

greed 03-13-2006 01:03 AM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
Our stats are extremely similar. I have a touch higher PFR and see a few more showdowns. You should be fine at 3/6. One thing that stands out though is that you are check raising very infrequently. You might want to look to do that in more spots.

mittman84 03-13-2006 01:19 AM

Can I hijack?
 
I want to post my stats as well for a little review, but dont want to start another stats post. Would it be ok if I started another thread within this tread? I don't want to hijack though...or if anyone would be willing to look at them I could PM. Thanks

sharp63 03-13-2006 01:08 PM

Re: Can I hijack?
 
22% VPIP for 6-max is not good. As you move up in limits, you'll need to become less predicatable preflop which means playing hands that have 0 and even slightly low EV. The idea is to make your opponents put you on a wider range of hands which means that you'll get more action with your big hands.

At the lower limits though you can play much tighter and still do very well since players are not very observant. At 3/6 this will start to become somewhat clear to you but honestly, even at 3/6 it's not a big deal. The highest I play right now is 5/10 and it's not even a huge concert there. However, it's better to start playing looser preflop now when it won't cost you as much when you make mistakes.

Your AG is a little high for my tastes as well but not nearly as out of control as some peoples'.

Keepitsimple 03-13-2006 01:18 PM

Re: Can I hijack?
 
I think your stats are fine. I cant see any obvious leaks.

tubasteve 03-13-2006 02:41 PM

Re: Stats Post - Want to fix leaks before moving to 3/6
 
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Holy [censored]. These look like my full ring stats.

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I'm basically going by that starting hand chart that's in Wookie's Stats post which I thought was supposed to give acceptable VPIP/PFR numbers, but apparently not. I guess I need to start raising hands that the chart says to fold after 1-2 limpers, like Ax, K9s, KT, QJ. Like I said, I think these are my two biggest leaks.

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I wouldn't raise Ax or any of these hands in fact, just limp along and make up postflop with KT QJ K9s. I'd still fold most weak aces here depending on how many limpers there are. I think this is sound but someone let me know if I'm crazy.

Steve


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