Underage players at the table
 

What happens when an underage player is found at a table? In particular, what would happen if they got carded and discovered during a hand?

Why this came up...
After bouncing out of the noon tourney (AAvAJ and QQv99 both all-in pre-flop were no good) I sat at NL1/2 and found about 4 very young faces. Must be spring break time.

So we're messing with the squirt on my right just a bit. He asks the person on his right what he does for a living and the guy replies "I'm an arms dealer". Kid pauses and says "are you REALLY?" There is much laughter. I suggest "I think this boy may be bluffable." That seems to irk him a little and he has a "bring it on" sort of remark. I tell him I'm not worried; that if I'm in a big pot with him and lose, I'll call the floor over to check his ID before letting the dealer push him the pot. He looked a LITTLE worried about that prospect.

I wasn't being serious, obviously, but now I'm suddenly wondering. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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One of the best posts I've read today [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I've heard of this being done before. Not a big friend maker, that one.

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It could definately be uncool to have underage players because if the bad beat jackpot gets hit by one of them the casino can void the jackpot if somebody is found to be underage.

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Same thing sort of happened to me over the weekend. I was
in seat 10 and was joking around with three players in seats
5,6,7 (right across from me) that if I lost a big hand to
them, I would call the floor to have their IDs checked.

I was obviously joking, like the OP was, but then one of
them mumbled under his breath something to the effect of,
"you'd better not, that would definitely not be cool"
indicating to me that he was most likely underage... he
looked all of 15.

I never had to... we only tangled once. We got into one
hand where I stacked him with a set of Qs against his pocket
As on the flop... all the money went in right there. The
turn was the case Q and it was over. So, I never had to
call the floor... but I really think that if he would have
stacked me on a bad play by me, I would have had the floor
come over to check his ID.

Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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Because you didnt lose the pot because he was underage. If you dont have a problem winning his money, you shouldnt have problem losing money to him. It's a 2 way street.

If you have an issue with his age, then call the floor. If not, play on.

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing something illegal and taking my money at the same time...why should I feel bad?


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Because you would be an angle shooting prick if you did this. If you TRULY have a problem with him playing underage, talk to the floor discretely and get him tossed (which I would never do, but to each his own). If you accept his action by playing a pot with him, you accept the results win or lose - trying to win a pot you're not entitled to is simply angleshooting. Plus, you will not be getting that money, I guarantee you that.

Let security do their job, you just play poker.

Jeff

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Plus, you will not be getting that money, I guarantee you that.

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Jeff, I think you misread the post... while he's TAKING my
money. He's already stacked me and I lost my money... how
is it angleshoot if I have him tossed after he's got my
money? No need to call me an angleshooting prick here.

It is a d1ck move to have someone tossed after they take
your money... but if he's underage anyways... now I have a
reason. I have never done it... and I have played with many
kids I suspect are underage... but I could see me getting
really upset that an underage kid took all of my money on a
bad beat... he taunts me just enough... and I call the floor
over to check his ID.

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The replies here indicate big problem in public cardrooms; how are these underaged plyers getting seated in the game? Part of te floor staff's job (brushes, floormen and ANYONE else that might seat a player) is to check IDs of anyone that is close in age. I do think that anyone that seats an underage player without checking an ID should be dealt with severly.

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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i've seen a guy call out an underage kid at a table after losing a pot to him and making a little scene.

everyone in the room thought that guy was a cock.

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Can we say angle shoot? Let the kids be and just be happy taking their lunch money.

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Also: why would you want anyone to walk off with your money, giving you zippy chance of getting it back?

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Anyone who would call out an underage kid in order to gain his own advantage in his hand deserves to be banned from poker for life.

Seriously. That's awful.

I can very, very, very vaguely understand having some minor amount of moral indignation about underage gambling or something. But if you have a problem, tell the kid first, give him a chance to get up, and, if you absolutely have to be a GIANT DICK at least do it in between hands.

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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Using this to try to welsh on a bet (I ask forgiveness of the PC police for use of the term) would be supremely uncool. My question was posed as a generic intellectual exercise--what happens to the money that's there if suddenly it turns out one participant is <21?

I was thinking about underage gamblers a bit 'cause I'd just read a couple threads on here about 19yo's coming to Vegas and having no trouble sitting for hour after hour at tables. In one thread the play was at Mirage, one at Tropicana. So it's apparently pretty easy to do.

After my playful comment to the squirt to my right about calling the floor on him, the youngin' across from me said he was playing BJ the day prior and was getting "the evil eye" from a floorman the whole time. But the guy waited until he was up $600 to come over and demand ID. "So what--you woulda been ok with me playing BJ underage if I lost, but because I'm up $600 you're gonna come check?"

I see fairly few ID checks in poker rooms. Some floor people check all the time, some seem never to check. I think the waitresses do a better job checking for ID than the brushes and floors.

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i think it's pretty common knowledge that the poker rooms (in las vegas, at least) don't really check for ID.

it's also pretty well known that underage people shouldn't play pit games for the sole purpose of goign on a really hot run and taking some of the casino's money and then getting carded.

i don't think the casino's really care at all about the underage gambling but the underage drinking is more of a big deal. the first time i went to vegas almost a couple of years ago i was 18 and stayed at the san remo and played blackjack and craps there everyday. i would never get carded when buying chips but everytime i wanted some booze the waitress would card me.

also, at bellagio when i play poker i never get carded by a floorman or whoever, but the cocktail waitress usually always ask for ID.

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I dont think that i would ever do this to someone playing, but I would like to see it happen once. Im definately one of those players that when im hitting [censored] cards i love to see drama in the cardroom and people getting carried out for once reason or another. Its entertaining and aside from a few ppl that i meet while playing, i couldnt give a [censored] what happens to everyone else in the cardroom

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that if I'm in a big pot with him and lose, I'll call the floor over to check his ID before letting the dealer push him the pot.

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It happened at Commerce
 

Everyone has to show ID for a jackpot. I wasn't at the table but observed and heard the following buzz. Turned out that both the winner and loser were WAY underage (18!!!! and 20) They lost their shares - the table stakes were still paid out. LOL.

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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You are a tool. You should not only feel bad, you should know that you are a scumbag. If you don't want the underage person playing at your table because you know that you suck and they are much better than you, then have their IDs checked immediately. You don't wait until you win a big pot. If I was the floor, I would give the young man the pot and tell him to cash out -- then I would kick you in the nuts.

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Everyone has to show ID for a jackpot. I wasn't at the table but observed and heard the following buzz. Turned out that both the winner and loser were WAY underage (18!!!! and 20) They lost their shares - the table stakes were still paid out. LOL.

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Failing to pay the jackpot to the legal gamblers because someone at the table was underage would be grounds for a nice lawsuit. The players can't control whom the casino lets play and should not be punished for the casino's misdeeds. Hopefully the gaming control gestapo would swoop in and side with the legal players.

But yeah, the underage players are SOL. If you're gonna go to Vegas and gamble while underage, stay below the radar. Don't win any slot jackpots, don't crack the Carribean Stud jackpot, don't hit a bad beat poker jackpot, and don't go to the cage with $5K and try to cash out.

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But yeah, the underage players are SOL. If you're gonna go to Vegas and gamble while underage, stay below the radar. Don't win any slot jackpots, don't crack the Carribean Stud jackpot, don't hit a bad beat poker jackpot, and don't go to the cage with $5K and try to cash out.

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Hang on...when I gambled underage at the Borgata and I was carded, I just told the floor that I left my ID at the Taj where I was staying. He said I couldn't keep playing and I cashed out over a dime (hit it lucky at Roulette--I only play 1/2 NL cash).

I mean, you're clearly right that underage players should stay inconspicuous, but I don't think they can let you cash in and not let you cash out for lacking proper ID. If theyre gonna card you they need to do it strightaway. Of course, that's different for a tourney where checks are presented.

Could someone with a thorough knowledge of the laws governing this sort of thing weigh in?

--AD

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Who cares if the players are underage? The floormen obviously don't (i.e. they don't require you to have a comp card). If the kid is goin down to have some fun then let him have fun. I think we all have done things before they were "legal" to do. I doubt anyone under 18 would try this, but if they are over 18 they can serve in the military and shoot people, so why cant they play cards.

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OK you need to stop using the word "squirt" cuz it's getting a little creepy...

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But yeah, the underage players are SOL. If you're gonna go to Vegas and gamble while underage, stay below the radar. Don't win any slot jackpots, don't crack the Carribean Stud jackpot, don't hit a bad beat poker jackpot, and don't go to the cage with $5K and try to cash out.

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Hang on...when I gambled underage at the Borgata and I was carded, I just told the floor that I left my ID at the Taj where I was staying. He said I couldn't keep playing and I cashed out over a dime (hit it lucky at Roulette--I only play 1/2 NL cash).


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I'll quote from Nevada NRS 463.350

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1. A person under the age of 21 years shall not:

(a) Play, be allowed to play, place wagers at, or collect winnings from, whether personally or through an agent, any gambling game, slot machine, race book, sports pool or pari-mutuel operator.

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You cannot collect your winnings. So sorry. And you can't give your chips to someone else to cash for you (in theory).

If you hit a big jackpot and don't have your ID, the casino will be happy to keep it safe for you until you can provide it. I've seen this regularly at poker tourneys when folks get deep enough into the money they need a W2G and don't have their ID.

If you go up to the cage with $5K and try to cash it they're likely to demand ID for their cash-transaction tracking, and if you cannot provide it you may have some trouble getting the chips back from the cage. If you go up with >$10K you DEFINITELY will have to provide ID.

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If you are under 21 cashing out 5K or 10K, get someone to help you. That is a ton of cash at that age and I would not want to lose it.

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OK you need to stop using the word "squirt" cuz it's getting a little creepy...

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Now you're raggin' on me for consistency? Guy to my right was "squirt", guy across from me was "youngin'". Person to my left was "babyface" and the fellow in the 10-seat was "urchin".

Mind you I was MUCH MUCH happier with babyface sitting to my left than his replacement. Some 90yo coot spewing the F-word every 30 seconds, throwing cards and other things at the dealers, and muttering to himself. Dunno why the dealers put up with him. I ended up calling coot's $90 all-in bet from UTG with my AK in the BB even though I knew he hadda have AA-QQ thinking it's a win-win...if he wins, maybe he'll get happier and not be so unpleasant to sit next to, if I win, maybe I'll push him over the brink and he'll snap and have to be carried out. (He had KK and I spiked an A--Coot definitely went deeper into his tantrum but didn't leave, so I did.)

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You are a tool. You should not only feel bad, you should know that you are a scumbag.

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You're the tool. I never said I wouldn't let him keep the pot. Where is that in my post? Why don't you rethink who you're calling a scumbag and develop better reading skills.

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I play over in Shreveport, La at the Eldorado and getting into their (and all the river boats there) is tight. They take your ID, look you over, put it in an electronic machine that does something, maybe verifies if it's real, then they put it in another electronic machine that does something else, maybe scans it? I have no idea what the machines are doing but I can assure you getting in with a fake ID would be very tough if not nearly impossible. And if you look under about 35 they WILL card you. I have seen them stop and ID people at the door who I knew had to be in their mid 30's.

That being said, if I ever saw someone at my poker table who I really believed was underage, I'd take a bathroom break and talk to the Floor. I have no desire to play against underage kids. I wouldn't invite them to my home game, so I sure don't want to be playing in a game with them where it's illegal for them to even be there.