400nl TT reraised pot
 

villain is weaktite, 20/17 and very good and tricky. definitely in the top 3-5 2/4 players imo. he confuses me a lot.

this hand i feel like if i'm losing he has a king or QQ, definitely not a flush. if i were him i would shove turn with a K though, so it could also look like hearts or diamonds.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $473.30
BB: $455.75
UTG: $400
MP: $89.35
Hero (CO): $775.80
BTN: $542.60

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, MP calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $64</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $46

Flop: ($136) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $102</font>, Hero calls $102

Turn: ($340) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($340) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $307.30 and is All-In</font>

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that turn is such a good barrel card its scary that he didnt bet it, I would fol

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Tough spot. He knows you don't have a set or flush as you would have pushed flop with FD and either pushed flop or turn with set yes? He basically knows you have 99-QQ the majority of the time here. He also can't have the flush as the turn K is a card he would have to push on with that.

Despite this I still think it's more likely that he has ak/aa and I would fold.

Edit: shouldn't just say ak/aa, i think this is aa/ak/kq/qq very often

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If you folded it looks hot. If he's really smart he'd bet like 120 on the river with AK.

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why not fold pf against him ??

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why not fold pf against him ??

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He knows we're isolating wide so he's prob 3betting wide.

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why not fold pf against him ??

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what.



edit: also i guess if it's relevant i run about 24/20. although yesterday i ran 29/24 for 1000 hands and today i ran 20/18 for 1200 hands lol.

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I think that this is a pretty easy fold.
If someone is bluffing here, they almost always 100% bluff the turn, NOT check then bet the river.
And I doubt that he is good enough to plan out a river bluff which looks more like value than a turn shove.

So I fold here.
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why not fold pf against him ??

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because if you are folding TT just because he 3-bet after you iso'd then you will be eaten alive.

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Tough spot. He knows you don't have a set or flush as you would have pushed flop with FD and either pushed flop or turn with set yes? He basically knows you have 99-QQ the majority of the time here. He also can't have the flush as the turn K is a card he would have to push on with that.

Despite this I still think it's more likely that he has ak/aa and I would fold.

Edit: shouldn't just say ak/aa, i think this is aa/ak/kq/qq very often

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wouldnt this make you want to call
pretty sure his 3bet range here is a lot wider than aa ak kq qq (jj could be in his range too tho)

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When I play against Weak Tite he minimum has 888 here, but I usually end up paying him off anyway.

I think you should fold, I don't often see him getting out of line for full stacks on a board like this.

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call, he prob has ATo

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youra newbie

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honestly, i wouldn't hate a call here (though i haven't played much on stars so don't know the player). he knows the K on the turn is likely an overcard to your JJ-99 and if he's 3 betting alot he knows he can creditably rep diamonds here, too. he doesn't even need you to fold 50% of the time here for his bluff to be good, and that seems pretty reasonable to assume.

also, calling here will probably slow him down a bit in the future.

would be sick if he value shoved QQ-JJ here.

edit: results if you called???

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Pretty sure I'd fold... you coulda have certainly flopped a diamond draw or have like 55, so I'm pretty sure this is not a river bluff if he's shoving into some of ur range on this riv. You guys prob don't have enough history to make this call.

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Agree with adam in theory but if im at the table myself though i fold cause thats my favorite thing to do.

nuggetz, do you think he can valueshove JJ here at all?

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he can pretty much assume that you'd shove a fd on the flop so he can rule that out. usually, id expect someone with that description (dont play at stars) to bluff shove the K turn if he were bluffing, but it seems sort of bad/obvious in this spot. meh, i think its pretty close, and im a station so i call.

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Agree with adam in theory but if im at the table myself though i fold cause thats my favorite thing to do.

nuggetz, do you think he can valueshove JJ here at all?

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that thought scares me because it's highly possible and/or highly sick. QQ should be an "easy" shove for him but is also in my range.

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i think youre shoving qq way more often than not on flop, i could be wrong tho

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between two regulars I find this comes down to levels , but in a vacuum I would fold

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call, he prob has ATo

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i agree 100% at best he has AT off.. easiest call ever imo and im not even kidding.

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Agree with adam in theory but if im at the table myself though i fold cause thats my favorite thing to do.

nuggetz, do you think he can valueshove JJ here at all?

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that thought scares me because it's highly possible and/or highly sick. QQ should be an "easy" shove for him but is also in my range.

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I agree with mdom that you dont have QQ+ that much here given flop action, so valuetowning JJ would be pretty nasty. Weak tite might be capable of it when hes on his game i guess.