100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

Villain is a pretty solid reg, 21/18/2.5 over large sample.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $83.20
MP: $83.65
CO: $44.50
BTN: $266.05
SB: $165.80
Hero (BB): $107.35

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, SB calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2

Flop: ($6) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, SB calls $4

Turn: ($14) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, SB calls $8

River: ($30) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero...?

Villain is solid and probably knows I'm solid. It's completely strange for this type of player to limp in the SB. IMO, villain probably raises any of his BTN opening range. Is he getting fancy with AA/KK? He knows I'm a thinking player. My bet sizes are probably smaller than most people would advocate, but they're enough to keep him from drawing to a flush profitably.

Is he calling me down with air hoping to bluff a 3rd diamond? Or is this a poorly played AA/KK? Certainly he'd throw in a raise somewhere with AJ/AK/KJ/Axs/etc (especially PF). There's probably no way I get away from this hand even if I do put him on AA or KK, but I'm curious to see what others think.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

I think you've put too much thought into this. Bet 24 on riv, fist pump if he shoves. More on turn as well.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

Raise a little more preflop imo. I think you have to bet here. I think if he got tricky w/ AA then he would've raised flop/turn cuz you obviously like your hand (though your bets are smallish). If he had something like AJ (limped?) wouldn'the raise...pretty drawy out there. He's not calling down w/ Q10 here...now way. BET!

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

If you checked behind this river i'll come to your house and kill you!

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

bet more on the flop. bet more on the turn. bet the river who cares what he calls with, cause i'd call a push.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

Bet more on turn. I don't think 21/18 ever limp AA/KK, the only hand I guess you should worry about is QTdd but even then you could expect that hand to raise preflop or on the flop.I say bet 24, double fist pump if he shoves.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

FWIW, I did not check behind. Really trying to figure out what a good bet size is on the river because it's obviously a WA/WB situation (and I think I'm WA ~90% of the time).

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

I think its a weird spot bc I don't know what kind of hands a 21/18 limps with in the sb

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

That's exactly why this line puzzles me.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

I like betting more on flop and turn - 2/3 on the river. Maybe the guy just decided 'To hell with it, I'm going to limp my AJ, AQ, 54s, Axs, KQ,(and so on) this hand'.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

On the river you are always WA/WB

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

He NEVER has aa, kk here. The ONLY hand you are behind is q10dd, but if he c/rs river i am snap calling and pumped about it.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

bvb, i'm betting and calling a push

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

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On the river you are always WA/WB

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nh lol

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

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On the river you are always WA/WB

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i love it

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

But really i think 22 is fine unless he will make a move if he thinks something is up

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

roffles, this is pretty good

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On the river you are always WA/WB

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i love it

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LDO. I meant leading up to the river. FWIW, I think villain raises QTdd PF. And rereading the way I wrote the WA/WB post, it does sound pretty stupid. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I think what I meant to say was that I think I'm ahead of his range ~90% of the time.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

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He NEVER has aa, kk here. The ONLY hand you are behind is q10dd, but if he c/rs river i am snap calling and pumped about it.

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LoL. Why do u think this hand was posted?

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

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He NEVER has aa, kk here. The ONLY hand you are behind is q10dd, but if he c/rs river i am snap calling and pumped about it.

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LoL. Why do u think this hand was posted?

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Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

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FWIW, I did not check behind. Really trying to figure out what a good bet size is on the river because it's obviously a WA/WB situation (and I think I'm WA ~90% of the time).

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its the river, you are always WA/WB... jeez

bet more flop,turn,river

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FWIW, I did not check behind. Really trying to figure out what a good bet size is on the river because it's obviously a WA/WB situation (and I think I'm WA ~90% of the time).

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its the river, you are always WA/WB... jeez

bet more flop,turn,river

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Cmon thats old news

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

i read thread top to bottom... ty for wasting your 9th post in a year on that

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

Thanks, I was only messin btw, This is probs bad timing but can you link me to that vid you posted in ssnl a while ago, I saw the first 10 mins and really liked it, thanks

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

Okay, this thread is getting derailed. Answer me this:

Given villains line and the fact that he open limped in the SB and never raised the flop or turn, what could he have that I beat that calls my bet on the river?

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

a small pocket pair would likely just limp being out of position in that spot. he could very well have Ax or even something like J9 or J8. I think he has something in the neighborhood of A9-AK, and i hope hes pushing on the river.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

2 pair, Ax????

Regardless, you need to value bet this because you are crushing his range

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Okay, this thread is getting derailed. Answer me this:

Given villains line and the fact that he open limped in the SB and never raised the flop or turn, what could he have that I beat that calls my bet on the river?

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who cares?

youre hand is best here like 97% of the time, dont really worry about what he's gonna call with... just bet and make sure you give him a chance to call.

ohh yeah, KJo just made 2 pairs

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

You're still not answering my questions. Betting on the river is obvious. Questions:

- How much?
- What specific hands is he calling with here given his actions on the prior streets?

You don't think 2 pair or Ax would've shown any aggression (much less limp in the SB PF)?

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

bet more on the turn and as played bet 22 on the river. he's calling with all sorts of ax hands and the like.

Re: 100NL - Weird spot with a flopped set against a reg.
 

my read is that he accidentally limped preflop w/ Ax and is just check calling every street