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20/40 (8 Players)
SB: No specific reads on villain but he is loose and passive.
BB: A nitty TAG prop player.

Preflop: Several folds, Hero raises 76[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in CO, BTN folds, SB coldcalls, BB folds.

Flop: 662r
Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: Tr
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero...

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SB: No specific reads on villain but he is loose and passive.

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SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero...

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Call down? 22 or A6 seem rather likely.

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Call down. 4 betting is kinda spewtastic against a LP, and it doesn't seem we're able to fold unless we know this guy really well.

I really hate to see him have a wierdly slowplayed AA or KK here, since I want to punish those hands, but I think we've gotten all the value we can(if we're even ahead now.)

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One more vote for call down without good read.
Raise 6 or 7 on river Obv.

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I vote call down as well. Your bet/call/raise line is super strong, and he still raised you.

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I vote call down as well. Your bet/call/raise line is super strong, and he still raised you.

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online if someone took ben's line against me i'd put him on an overpair, but i'm not sure how applicable this is live. any chance villain has aa or kk?

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I'm a flop monkey... I three bang right away... if he had A-10 ,99, jj, or something else he feels "beats AK"... there are a lot of turn cards that will slow him down or put him in check- call mode.

+ if you're pretty TAG, no WAY he gives you credit for a 6 here.

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I'd have 3-bet the flop. From here, I'd definitely just call down.

-ActionBob

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online if someone took ben's line against me i'd put him on an overpair, but i'm not sure how applicable this is live. any chance villain has aa or kk?

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Yeah there is a chance. That's why I call down. You're in position and can make sure exactly two bets goes in from here so I don't really see the downside. Putting three more bets in after passive villian threebets is no good.

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Call down. Theres more than enough posibility that he doesn't put you on a six and got spazzy with something else. Or that you will chop. Or that you hit your outs...blah blah blah.

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I'm not 4betting the turn, if that's what you mean. I'll be having an internal debate as to whether or not to raise the river, but probably end up just calling. I certainly think I'm still ahead right now. I'm cautious about 4betting because he may have nothing at all, and then he may have me beat. I still expect to win this pot, but I don't think raising does anything good for me.

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i had a similar hand like this at a live 15/30 game at artichoke joes;

6s7s in early cutoff, raise against a bored table, call from SB.
flop is 662, no flush. i bet, SB calls.
turn is a Q. i bet, SB RR, i RR, SB calls.
river 4, i bet, SB calls, shows AQo.
i show, and he immediately starts muttering about me raising with trash etc etc.

the reason i mention this hand (yes i know its not exactly the same situation as yours), is that villain will overplay his top pair or try to get cute with Ax *often enough* to warrant a 4bet.

so i think if you bet/call a brick river, you will see an overpair often enough to justify the extra bets/risk.

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swope: you have position screwed up.

Jeffage: I have you owned, but remember what I said.

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swope: you have position screwed up.

Jeffage: I have you owned, but remember what I said.

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right you are, my bad.

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One more vote for call down without good read.
Raise 6 or 7 on river Obv.

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raise the T too, counterfeits are yummy

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fwiw I am considering folding the river ui, but probably stick in a crying call hoping for a chop if another big card comes. Not sure why there is a debate about the turn unless its whether you should raise at all. Lps are unlikely to cr the flop with anything other than a 6. I would really want to pound the flop. If he has a pair he will freeze up if paint comes and we dont have to lose 3bbs when he has us crushed. I have found that the best place to extract value from LPs is on the sb streets when they are less scared.

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most like likely has a six as well and you are going to lose. That situation is not clealy defined until the turn, looks like you were trying to slowplay flop and the guy wokeup with a hand,oh well call the river and get ready to muck

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fwiw I am considering folding the river ui

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seriously?

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fwiw I am considering folding the river ui

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seriously?

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In theory, but in practice I would call. What do we beat that a loose passive 3bets on the turn? He always has at least a 6. I would stick in the call hoping he had 56 or 46s or something stupid, but he always has a 6 here and we have no kicker.

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fwiw I am considering folding the river ui

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seriously?

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When I saw the hand this is what I thought too, because it seems like a really easy call down.