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villain is unknown, no stats but is down some and has yet to reload so probably not a superstar

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $159.80
Hero (CO): $266.75
BTN: $171.70
SB: $248.55
BB: $385.85

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($19) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16</font>, BTN calls $16

Turn: ($51) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $39</font>, BTN calls $39

River: ($129) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $110</font>

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I think checking this river &gt; betting it

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c/c

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Agree completely. With his stack size, if you bet the river like so you must call a push/re-raise. The best option is just to c/c a river bet that is under 2/3 the pot. It's unfortunate with his stack size you have to c/c, but betting here is too risky imo.

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bet less on the river.

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bet less on the river.

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like what, $80? he's only got 108 left...

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c/c

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looks fine to me, unknowns are usually calling stations

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c/c

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I think theres definitely value in a bet here. some worse queens will tag along given the nature of the board, as will most Jx's since they all have gutshots to go with them.

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I think having the correct image is definitely important in this spot. With taht said, I really like this bet and if you play anything like me then you'll often be getting looked up with any q, jacks with good kickers and occassionally a hand like TT or 99. I get extra pissed when hands like this call my bluffs so it feels soooo good to vbet thin like this when the opportunity is right. i like the bet a lot, even if you posted it in this instance bc he called w/ AQ.

Then again, in the games i play 95% of the players are weak-tight stations. This will affect my thinking to a very large degree on this particular hand

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either bet or c/c, any kind of read would help me decide, if he is truly unknown then w/e.

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I like a c/c here without a read that villian is a calling station, and the fact he hasn't immediately reloaded is not good enough. Plus a lot of draws missed.

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I check call because every draw missed and the only hand he might pay off here is QT, all others beat you and I doubt he will fold a better hand. c/c is the line here.

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I check call because every draw missed and the only hand he might pay off here is QT, all others beat you and I doubt he will fold a better hand. c/c is the line here.

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Seconded

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looks fine to me, but i think calling it a merge is a slight stretch

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hey snipes back

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looks fine to me, but i think calling it a merge is a slight stretch

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lol, yeah but its fun to say

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i think it's a merge against some villains for sure, but perhaps not against the villain in the actual hand

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I check call because every draw missed and the only hand he might pay off here is QT, all others beat you and I doubt he will fold a better hand. c/c is the line here.

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I check call because every draw missed and the only hand he might pay off here is QT, all others beat you and I doubt he will fold a better hand. c/c is the line here.

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Seconded

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4th

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c/c

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I think theres definitely value in a bet here. some worse queens will tag along given the nature of the board, as will most Jx's since they all have gutshots to go with them.

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Having a gs on the river really won't help him much, will it?

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i think it's a merge against some villains for sure, but perhaps not against the villain in the actual hand

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I'd think it was really more a 'merge' depending on image right? If OP was a 9/7 - I'd argue this was a definite merge and their ranges are permapolarized.

For a 50/30, not so much.

Merging ranges is fully dependent on having rigidly defined ranges whether they arise from players style or how a certain situation played out.

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c/c

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I think theres definitely value in a bet here. some worse queens will tag along given the nature of the board, as will most Jx's since they all have gutshots to go with them.

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Having a gs on the river really won't help him much, will it?

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no [censored] [censored]. wtf kind of reply is that

was implying that he's more likely to get to the river with a jack given the board.

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c/c

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I think theres definitely value in a bet here. some worse queens will tag along given the nature of the board, as will most Jx's since they all have gutshots to go with them.

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Having a gs on the river really won't help him much, will it?

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no [censored] [censored]. wtf kind of reply is that

was implying that he's more likely to get to the river with a jack given the board.

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but hes not willing to call with it tough guy

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I check call because every draw missed and the only hand he might pay off here is QT, all others beat you and I doubt he will fold a better hand. c/c is the line here.

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Seconded

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+1

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c/c

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I think theres definitely value in a bet here. some worse queens will tag along given the nature of the board, as will most Jx's since they all have gutshots to go with them.

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Having a gs on the river really won't help him much, will it?

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no [censored] [censored]. wtf kind of reply is that

was implying that he's more likely to get to the river with a jack given the board.

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I thought someone had to state the obv flaw in your post. You're saying there's value in a river bet because he's calling the turn with JT. He's not calling your river bet with 2nd pair mid kicker.

This is certainly a c/c and the post I qouted sums up why in a great way.

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c/c

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I think theres definitely value in a bet here. some worse queens will tag along given the nature of the board, as will most Jx's since they all have gutshots to go with them.

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Having a gs on the river really won't help him much, will it?

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no [censored] [censored]. wtf kind of reply is that

was implying that he's more likely to get to the river with a jack given the board.

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I thought someone had to state the obv flaw in your post. You're saying there's value in a river bet because he's calling the turn with JT. He's not calling your river bet with 2nd pair mid kicker.

This is certainly a c/c and the post I qouted sums up why in a great way.

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yea, sorry I got short with you... your other post came off as kinda arrogant/dickish.